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 Tips for trip to Vienna
Author: faltpihl 2017
Date:   2018-01-06 03:04

I'll be travelling to Vienna for two days next week, to try out Austrian clarinets.

Do you guys have any tips for music stores, concerts or other clarinet related stuff to check out while there?

I'm planning on visiting Maxton and Votruba to test some clarinets (Uebel 621AU, Yamaha 458 and various Hammerschmidt is my main goal).

Thanks in advance!


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 Re: Tips for trip to Vienna
Author: dorjepismo 2017
Date:   2018-01-06 03:21

Gerolds look pretty fun, but they're German system and at the other end of Austria. Don't know if there's a dealer in Wien.

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 Re: Tips for trip to Vienna
Author: Kalashnikirby 
Date:   2018-01-06 03:44

Are you that sure about trying these more or less entry level horns? While I only know the normal "German" version of the Yamaha and Uebel, these two are definitely nothing worth writing home about. At this price, there are some way nicer Boehm Options available, and if you want that super dark sound, I'd first look for a German style mouthpiece/reed combo.

The Yamaha in particular has such a bland sound... the Austria model is supposed to have a larger bore, among other promises made in their add texts, but since the price doesn't differ, what exactly is going to be improved?
When buying a German style horn, expect to play 2k at least for an acceptable one. Uebel German System clarinets these are all made in China) has been hit in miss for me, but many people found to be great for the money. Take a look at Oscar Adler, they're almost affordable. Again, Boehm beats them still when looking at the price vs. performance. Leitner und Kraus make some excellent horns. Leitner und Kraus offer entry level options with fewer keys, too.

Best regards

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 Re: Tips for trip to Vienna
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-01-06 09:22

Gerolds are the so-called "authentic" Viennese instruments. In addition to the bore difference, his clarinets also don't have the more advanced key system that can be found on full oehler system clarinets. Be prepared that the difference between Austrian and French mouthpiece is much bigger than German/French. So don't be surprised if you cannot even produce a note.

Post Edited (2018-01-06 12:25)

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 Re: Tips for trip to Vienna
Author: faltpihl 2017
Date:   2018-01-07 15:39

Thanks for the input!

I looked at Gerolds but they are out of my price range at this moment.

I did not know about the sound issue with yamaha you're describing Christian, that's very good input!

Let me shortly explain to you what my plans are:

I've tried both Playnick and Maxton austrian mouthpieces + reeds on my Uebel Superior and found them to be the perfect sound and feel.

But intonation-wise, its' pretty unusable especially in an orchestra setting.

So I'm going down there with a setup of mouthpiece + reed that I'm comfortable with, and I'm going to try a few "entry level clarinets" and see if any of them have a good enough sound and intonation for me to purchase as a side instrument.

If I then find the german (austrian) system to be comfortable enough, I am planning on migrating to that with a more expensive horn in the future (perhaps).

But I am aware that it might not be possible to play at 442 comfortably, and that the tone and intonation of the cheaper instruments may not be to my liking.


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 Re: Tips for trip to Vienna
Author: Kalashnikirby 
Date:   2018-01-07 16:21

taking a trip to vieanna seems like a very sensible idea then! Looking forward to your account on these instruments and mouthpieces - besides, Vienna is worth a visit or two anyways!

To be clear, the Yamahas aren't bad, but not at all loved by teachers. As far as I can recall, their intonation is decent, but that's about it. Personally, any 457 is beaten by a 650, even the "II" didn't improve sound-wise. But the keywork is nice. IMHO, the Uebel will be the most interesting contender. The one I tested, the (full?)-Oehler 634 had a lovely finish, but disappointed me in the lower with pretty severe intonation Problems and an "incorrectable" Low E+F despite the option to correct it with the thumb key. For some reason, Uebel has always fit me most comfortably, playing fast parts is a breeze on them, wheras I'm more "stuck" on some other brands. At any rate, it seems they're more engaged with ergonomic designs than Schreiber.

I happen to own a Superior too, bought it used. How do you like it? I think it's wonderful, though now that I can compare it directly to my RC, not that "German" as I've expected.

L+K offer their Reform-Boehm with German mouthpieces, so that might be an option in the long term?

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