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Author: Napat T.
Date: 2015-12-17 14:48
Which is better between Harrison and Ishimori metal ???
Harrison has a bright and very responsive . But Ishimori I read in
The web it told that the gold one gives the powerful bright sound,
So which is better ? :|
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2015-12-17 17:37
Harrisons are no longer produced, so you have to buy used ones when you can find them. Their design, which puts very little metal on the reedstock, is resonant, but also has had a tendency to weaken under stress and break. It puts a big load on a small piece of metal. So, with a used Harrison, you may have metal that is fatiqued and likely to snap. Ishimoris are still in production, come in a variety of metals and platings, and distribute the stress load over a greater surface area of Bonade-style vertical metal ribs and support metal to provide considerable strength and durability. Ishimoris usually give good service for many years and yield a rich, full sound.
Post Edited (2015-12-17 19:28)
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2015-12-17 17:56
Ligature choice is 1% performance and 99% placebo effect, particularly for the ridiculously expensive ones.
Try string first. When you can play as well as Leister, try the inverted Bonade (which was fine for Wright and Marcellus). Then try a $5 Martin, which with a bit of tinkering was fine for Kalmen Opperman and Richard Stoltzman. Then turn the Martin 45 degrees so only the bands touch the reed. That was fine for Reginald Kell and Benny Goodman.
By the way, I tried the original Harrison and hated it. Once you got it tight enough to hold the reed firmly, it broke.
Finally, testimonials are useless. Ask somebody who sat halfway back in the hall whether there's any audible difference. Dollars to $1000 gold-plated cryogenic doughnuts there's none.
Ken Shaw
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Author: clarinetguy ★2017
Date: 2015-12-17 19:19
I have an old Harrison gold, and it's a nice ligature. The problem is that with my current mouthpiece and reed combo, it's hard to get it to stay in place. No matter how much it's tightened, it slides upward. I use it every now and then, but the Rovner MKIII is my current choice.
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Author: ClarinetRobt
Date: 2015-12-17 22:10
If you're willing to spend the bucks, Ishimori is a very good, boutique, ligature. Brad Behn's website has a great description of each of the versions, plus you can try them and return (with a restocking charge). For me, I went with the solid silver, then rose gold plated it with my at home kit. Looks and plays terrific.
~Robt L Schwebel
Mthpc: Behn Vintage
Lig: Ishimori, Behn Delrin
Reed: Legere French Cut 3.75/4, Behn Brio 4
Horns: Uebel Superior (Bb,A), Ridenour Lyrique, Buffet R13 (Eb)
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Author: CEC
Date: 2015-12-18 03:42
The Ishimoris are terrific. I play the brushed gold version on soprano. Definitely give one or two a try like Robert recommended.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2015-12-18 04:01
While I agree that Ishimoris are great ligatures, I also agree with Ken Shaw that there are some less expensive ligatures that can serve the purpose well. Plating the inverse Bonade for instance, can improve the tone and response. Weiners music offers some very nice plated Bonades that play better than the original and better than many ligatures that cost far more. The silver plated Bonade from Weiners concentrates the tone and adds focus and depth. The pink gold (rose gold) plated Bonade from Weiners softens the sound and makes it a bit mellower. These sell for about $25 and $50 respectively.
Brad Behn, who stocks most of the Ishimori models, also has some especially designed Bay inverse ligatures, not available elsewhere, that he sells for about $50 that are worth a try.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2015-12-18 05:10
I've always preferred the lightest metal ligatures. So the Harrision's were kind of heavy. I use the inverted Bonade and cut out some of the ribs of it and have for many years. With some of the soft ligatures sometimes they deaden the vibrations of the mouthpiece, so this is a really personal choice you have to make. As musicians we kind of have to be careful with sound. Often when the sound is deadened by a ligature it sounds darker. At the same time perhaps metal isn't the answer for everyone.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: Napat T.
Date: 2015-12-18 08:30
My teacher also have the breaking of the weak point on Harrison ligature. But I tried it several weeks ago. It was very responsive
and I think that it is one of great ligature I have tried before. I also think about the price because Both of them are really expensive.
What about pink gold plate of Ishimori ???
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Author: Micke Isotalo ★2017
Date: 2015-12-18 17:11
I just would like to add that in my experience different ligatures performs differently on different reeds, mouthpieces, with different players, etc. So a ligature that's good for a particular mouthpiece and reed combination, isn't necessarily as good for another one.
Thus when I'm trying out new mouthpieces or reeds, I do it with a variety of ligatures ranging from Vandoren Klassik (the stringlike one), traditional German string, the Vandoren leather, BG Super Revelation to BG Metal Tradition. These gives a quite good variety in ligature performance, from a quite soft grip (string) to a more steady one (metal) and other variables.
Since also different registers sounds differently on different ligatures, as well as with different dynamics, the final choice is usually a compromise - since a single ligature may not be the best one in all registers and/or all dynamics.
To counteract bias and placebo I would recommend good quality recordings of a few notes at a time with one setup compared in instant succession to another recording with another setup. Remember though that multiple recordings even with the same setup probably would not sound completely identical.
Micke Isotalo
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