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Author: jbutler
Date: 2001-04-18 02:32
I found this to be a little interesting. Is it wood? Ringless bell appears to be wood.
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John
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Author: Willie
Date: 2001-04-18 02:42
Is that the German system or a complicated Albert? I'm courious about that bell too. Seems to me it could be prone to cracking easily.
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Author: Mike Irish
Date: 2001-04-18 05:33
it is very simular to my alberts... it has a third left pinky finger key, which mine dont, and has one key on the reverse side of the lower joint then mine does...
I have seen ringless bells before.. mostly on plastic ( bundys ) but have also seen on wood ( maybe have been removed? ) looks like a grove where a ring simular to an oboes ring would be that is what makes me wonder if ring is gone...
oh well....
Mike
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Author: Eoin McAuley
Date: 2001-04-18 07:03
It looks like an Albert system to me rather than the more elaborate Oehler "German" system. There isn't enough metal on it to be an Oehler.
It appears to be wood. German clarinets never seem to have a bell ring, even on wooden models. I don't know why.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-04-18 11:01
It is an Oehler system clarinet but not with the maximum number of keys. Once upon a time I had a URL that showed modern Oehler system horns and they varied in the number of keys depending on the level and price.
This looks like it is not supposed to have a bell ring. It resembles the Rossi clarinet design at the end of the bell. The bell ring does not really have a structural purpose but is decorative in nature as the wood at the end of the bell is thick enough that it is not needed. It does provide some protection against minor dings but it isn't really necessary.
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Author: sarah
Date: 2001-04-18 11:54
Just a point about the ringless bell. One of my clarinets doesnt have a ring, Ive never really thought about being particularly a problem. It is not the horn i use regularly but it is still a fine one. Jus a quiestion, does the bell ring help with tone or another reason?
Sarah
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-04-18 12:49
The bell ring is really just traditional decoration. All the other ends had rings so they put one on the bell end too.
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2001-04-18 14:56
The instrument maker's name is misspelled. It's U:bel (umlaut over the U). This is a top maker of German-style instruments, and the price is not at all out of line if that's what you want. It has a very convenient extra key for the left little finger that gives a left-hand Bb/F.
Most German and English instruments no not have a bell ring. Keilwerth's site http://www.keilwerth.de/clari.htm shows their German system instrument without one. The Ripamonte site shows an instrument without a ring http://www.network.it/ripamonti/, but pages deeper in show a ring. Peter Eaton's instruments http://www.eatonclarinets.freeserve.co.uk/ have no bell ring, and I'm sure that the old Boosey and Hawkes large-bore instruments didn't have them. I couldn't find a picture of a Rossi that showed the bell, but I think he leaves the ring off. Steve Fox uses no ring http://www.sfoxclarinets.com/. Hammerschmidt uses them http://www.oe-net.com/hammerschmidt/klingson.htm. Wurlitzer appears to have no website, but I'm sure that the Wurlitzer I tried at the Columbus show a couple of years ago didn't have a bell ring.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-04-18 15:11
Ken Shaw wrote:
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> The instrument maker's name is misspelled. It's U:bel
> (umlaut over the U).
Here's a tip. The traditional way of indicating umlauted vowels when transcribing into English when the umlaut is not available is to use the letter "e" following the vowel that would have an umlaut.
Übel become Uebel. Müller becomes Mueller and so on. This standard is well over a hundred years old in the printing trade.
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Author: joseph o'kelly
Date: 2001-04-18 15:36
As others said it is an Albert system clarinet.
The comments seem to be placed toward the ringless bell. Is it more prone to cracking or not? I say it's not. Many of oboe bells lack a ring. I don't think any of Buffet's oboes have a ring. The reason we have rings on our tennons is so that when the two pieces go into one another the wood dosn't swell and crack. The bell dosn't go into anything and therefore dosn't require a ring. It dosn't do anything for tonal perposes exept I noticed when I had a bell ring that was really loose it vibrated when i played low E. I do think it prevents chipping of the bottom of the bell if struck in that area.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-04-18 16:48
joseph o'kelly wrote:
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> As others said it is an Albert system clarinet.
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No it is an Oehler system, the descendent of the Albert. The Albert system has somewhat fewer keys. The instrument in question is simply not a full Oehler but it is past the point of qualifying as an Albert system.
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Author: joseph o'kelly
Date: 2001-04-18 17:32
I'm sorry
my knowledge of other fingering systems is not up to par.
Does any one know were I can find fingering charts of other fingering systems?
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Author: Hans de Nijs
Date: 2001-04-18 19:45
I have checked an old Uebel catalogue. It is said before: it is not the full Oehler system, but a simple variant although equiped with interesting extra keywork:
A ' - As ' mechanism for which Uebel claims a stabile throat register and on the lower joint an extra key for a modified B' / Cis' triller. This clarinet is called type 636 and is not more than a middle class instrument, not very expensive in those days, although it looks nice. The tone is somewhat uneven and the wood/keywork is no top quality.
The older Uebels (1950 - 1960) were famous and used professionally in Germany. You can buy now a set second hand (A/B flat) for 5000 - 10000 $ in Germany. Uebels from that period are played by Luigi Magistrelli on his new double CD with all clarinet pieces from the Archduke Rudolph, a pupil of Beethoven on Bayer Records. Recommended!
This E-Bay modell is from later: 1970-1975, made in the DDR period (East Germany), generally spoken not a very best period, not for the people and also not for clarinet making in that region.....
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Author: Heinz
Date: 2001-04-18 22:19
Hans: Very interesting informations.
Please help me to understand:
Is this an Oehler or simple system forged Bb/F mechanism on this
clarinet ? Or is this mechanism made up by Uebel himself - an Uebel
mechanism so to speak ?
Where is that extra trill key and how works it ?
Was this clarinet advertised as 'Oehler system' ?
TIA - Heinz
.. loving Luigi Magistrellis 'Il clarinetto romantico' ..
the Uebel on this recording is described as "Uebel Deutsches System 1940".
1950 - 1960 has been DDR period too - it's difficult to believe that they
should have been able to produce something 'famous' in these times ??
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