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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2014-02-27 08:06
Selmer used hex on CT, but who else?
this one is a small, fits under pad. Can't see until register key is off.
This is early 60s from what I can tell. Keywork looks to be similar to Artley but it is made out of wood. Maybe Holton? La Chapelle?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-02-27 11:53
Selmer USA clarinets (Bundy, Signet, Buescher, etc.) have a small hexagonal headed speaker tube.
More recently, Buffet B12 and E11 also have a small hexagonal headed speaker bush. I think the Evettes also had them before they got rebranded as B12s and E11s.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2014-02-27 12:05
yeah the speaker looks exactly like this one on Signet: http://www.clarinetperfection.com/galleryclar/SelmerUSA/Soloist/cl02a.jpg
Not sure of Evette, the one I have (K-series) does not have hex, just insert. Perhaps german-made?
the keywork looks alot like Selmer CT or Artley, but not Signet/Bundy (separate G#/A posts, spaced like on CT). Left pinky cluster looks identical to Selmers/ similar to BCs with long F key rod. No pin in a hole. Trill key guide is sheet metal like on early wooden Bundies (similar to Buffet/Evette but not BC shape).
serial # is A00xxx not inline with Selmer USA #s.
no country of origin, so it has to be US-made(?)
Bore 15.0 on top and 14.7 on bottom.
if not for the guide and ser# I'd say Artley stencil.
Confused
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-02-27 14:10
The German (Schreiber) built Evettes may have the hexagonal one like the B12/E11.
Can you post a photo of this clarinet as that will help identify it.
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Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2014-02-28 02:45
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Chris P wrote:
> The German (Schreiber) built Evettes may have the hexagonal one
> like the B12/E11.
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> Can you post a photo of this clarinet as that will help
> identify it.
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thnx Chris, take a look.
Edit: just realized it says "made in U.S.A"
Post Edited (2014-02-28 05:34)
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Author: qualitycontrol
Date: 2014-02-28 05:19
These hexes are a lot different than CT hexes. My B&H Edgware also has one.
I haven't ever removed one of either, but these seem functional while the CT are decorative. These look like actual screws that could be loosened; the hexagon has much sharper corners. The CT speaker tube is just hexagonally shaped, with rounded corners, and is much larger, at least twice as large across.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-02-28 05:52
CTs had two types of speaker bush, both have the same size large hexagonal top to them, but the early ones had a very wide thread which was the same size thread as the previous two piece speaker tube/well the BT had before, then the later type speaker bush with a large hexagonal head but a much narrower diameter thread which the Series 9 also used (but with a different sized hole though it).
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1998 - 2010
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2014-02-28 17:08
I got the magnifying glass out, and it looks like body was pre-drilled for barrel type guide. For whatever reason they installed sheet metal instead.
Artley serial numbers start with 1000 form 1971. This one has A005xx, so it could have been one of the early ones pre-1971. Perhaps they used A prefix initially (A for Artley) and dropped it later? (I suppose it could be also Selmer A-series from 1978, which I doubt)
Were the bodies bought from someone and assembled by someone else?
What pad sizes CT used? how about Artley? anyone has sizes on hand? thnx
Post Edited (2014-02-28 14:49)
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2014-04-15 19:52
update:
so I got this one seal enough to try. Nice dark vintage tone. Needs re-pad some pads have good chunks missing.
In a process of sealing discovered a well disguised pinned crack in the top joint, which was leaking a bit as wood dried out, and needed gluing. By the looks of it crack was pinned at the factory, prior to polishing, fitting posts, and machining cutouts.
Keys look like came off wooden Artley, and Artley A45 MPC included. Molded plastic case like many Artleys. On other hand Artley had been known to finish clarinets for Selmer, and Selmer USA did bring unfinished horns to US to avoid tariffs. Also the A00xxx serial number would be inline with Selmer 1978 A-series, and bore looks similar to Series 9 (but not 9*), which was still produced in late 70s? Also Selmers of that period known to crack alot.
So there is a possibility that it might have been Artley-assembled failed Series 9, which was relegated to stencil. I suppose they changed speaker and guide to avoid recognition, or perhaps those were not fitted when they got it and they fitted it with what they had. Keys look indistinguishable from late 70s wood Artleys.
Selmer stencil? can you even call it stencil at that point?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-04-15 21:19
"Artley had been known to finish clarinets for Selmer ... there is a possibility that it might have been Artley-assembled failed Series 9"
Did they really do that?
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Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: cyclopathic
Date: 2014-04-16 05:32
Chris P wrote:
> "Artley had been known to finish clarinets for Selmer ... there
> is a possibility that it might have been Artley-assembled
> failed Series 9"
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> Did they really do that?
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Not sure, but apparently Artley bass clarinets are Arltley built Bundies.
And Donald Artley did work for Selmer prior to striking in his own.
http://www.musictrader.com/artley.html
But all above is a pure speculation.. body of clarinet does look to be well built, for example posts were installed and then cut offs machined, and many top joint toneholes have black (ebonite?) tuning inserts, too good for cheap department store stencil. Once again, not sure if Selmer had used those.
Also Selmer had his own mfg capacity in Elkhart after they purchased Pedler in 1958 why would they use someone else too?
Am I barking at the wrong tree?
Edit:
haven't had a chance to map it but tuning looks typical of Selmer: with 66mm OEM barrel left hand borderline flat @440, but right hand is sharp and needs to be pulled. I have somewhere 64.5mm Henry Selmer barrel, interesting to see if it'll be in tune @442 with that one
Post Edited (2014-04-16 16:48)
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2014-04-16 12:16
> Not sure, but apparently Artley bass clarinets are Arltley built Bundies.
Yes, my Artley bass is a (refined) Bundy knockoff.
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Ben
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