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 Re: Old JTL - what do I have?
Author: cyclopathic 
Date:   2014-02-11 08:44
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modernicus wrote:

> I have some doubts Henry Gunckel is a Buffet Stencil. Why
> would they sell under somebody else's name for pro instruments
> when they have always been the standard for Boehm clarinets at
> least? Some c. Early 1900's H.G. Boehms had completely round
> trill key guides, completely different than the sharp ones on
> Buffets and some had sharp. One that I saw pics of looked more
> like some clarinets labeled Auguste Buffet. Also, I have a c.
> 1900 Clarinet marked Carl Fisher with the logos sanded off
> except for"Excelsior" written in an arch, precisely the same as
> some old Couesnons but the keywork is identical to a Buffet of
> the era in every way that I can tell . I recently saw pics of
> an Auguste Buffet metal clarinet that looks like one I have
> seen marked Couesnon. It is difficult to tell what the heck
> the relationship was, but it seems more likely Couesnon made
> many of these instruments as they are known to have made
> stencils.

I just spent 1/2hr comparing Henry Gunkel, Triebert, A Fontaine-Couesnon and Couesnons from Phil's site. While they had been made in different era and have differences (Gunkel has wrap around registry key, A Fontaine separate posts for G#/A) they definitively have too many similarities to make me believe they were made by the same mfg.

Same shape of C#/G# key, identical cutouts on lower joint, similarly drilled toneholes, interchangeable keys, pin in hole left pinky keys on shared post with identical cutout, the same thumb rest (attached), identical tenon rings and so on.

Now if Gunkel was store brand, it is possible they might have sourced them different suppliers, so there might be ones made by Buffet; but the one I have is def Couesnon.

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