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Author: Roxann
Date: 2013-08-29 16:02
I have 29 pages of a 45 page score to transpose from A clarinet to Bb clarinet. In 2000, someone wrote in and said they use SharpEye to scan music and Finale to transpose it. Before I invest a bunch of money in these two programs, I'd like to find out if others have used the same programs and how easy they are to learn and use. Are there other, newer, programs that do a better job? I've searched high and low across the USA for a rental A clarinet with no luck, so I guess it's time to start transposing. Thanks for any suggestions.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2013-08-29 18:24
I might have posted about SharpEye and Finale.
Sharpeye has since then been integrated into Neuratron PhotoScore, although it is still available as a stand-alone program from Visiv's website. I don't think the SharpEye program itself has undergone any recent development - it has been in Version 2 for a long time.
PhotoScore's latest version, which *is* in continuing development, can read manuscript (Visiv claims - I haven't tried it) and extract directly from PDF files, which SharpEye can't do. The SHarpEye OCR technology underlies the Neuratron product.
Using Finale, you might find Musitek SmartScore useful instead. It will export directly to Finale, which saves a fairly insignificant extra step you need to make in PhotoScore to convert to an XML file Finale can read.
Are you already handy with Finale?
Karl
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Author: Bennett ★2017
Date: 2013-08-29 20:04
If all you want to do is scan, correct the scanning errors, and then transpose, consider SmartScore: http://www.musitek.com. But be forewarned, if you're working with a score where each instrument is represented in pretty small print, as opposed to a part, you'll have a lot of editing to do before you can hit the transpose button. The accuracy of music optical character recognition is not as good as alphabetic and the original must be gorgeous to get reasonably accurate results. Finale uses Smart Score as its OCR engine.
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Author: Gary Van Cott
Date: 2013-08-29 22:40
If you are working with something fairly clean the smart score program that comes with Finale works fairly well. One thing I have learned from the Finale demos at NAMM is that you should copy from your scanned version into a blank set of measures you have already set up. You will have to adjust the key signature to get that right also.
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Author: Fishamble
Date: 2013-08-30 09:41
I used SharpEye for the first time this week to transform a viola part from alto clef to treble clef for free. SharpEye has a 30-day trial, so you can install and use it for free, then decide if the quality/price is good for you.
On the practical side, SharpEye can import TIFFs but not PDFs, so I used a free PDF to TIFF converter in the first step. After the OCR process I exported the digital copy of the music to musicXML file, and I used Muscore to edit it. There are errors in it that I need to correct, but in fairness the original PDF part was far from pristine.
I've no other experience of Music OCR, so can't offer any comparison.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2013-08-30 13:10
One issue is that SharpEye seems to be a dead-end product. Still being sold but no longer in development. Neuratron PhotoScore is under continuing development, having incorporated the SharpEye OCR engine.
One thing I have had trouble with in SharpEye is that it sometimes is finicky about what kind of TIFF it will read. The ones generated by my current Windows Fax and Scan don't agree with SharpEye's recognition routine (must be a different compression level?). I don't know why, and when I asked at Visiv I ended up buying an upgrade to an older version I had of PhotoScore and never pursued the problem. You're best off, in my experience, using SharpEye's Twain (scanning) interface, which generates TIFFs the OCR will read.
Karl
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Author: Roxann
Date: 2013-08-30 14:15
I just received an email from SharpEye. I contacted them because I use a Mac. SharpEye isn't compatible with Macs. HOWEVER, they recommended PhotoScore Ultimate v7 and provided me with this link:
http://www.neuratron.com/products.htm
It looks like it can do everything SharpEye can do and more. I will definitely be looking into it further.
Neuratron also has an AudioScore Ultimate that allows you to play CD's and it'll produce the sheet music from what it hears on the CD. Amazing.
Thanks to all of you for your help!
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Author: JonTheReeds
Date: 2013-08-30 16:32
I'd be interested to know whether AudioScore Ultimate works well
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Author: MSK
Date: 2013-08-30 16:49
I've also used the Smart Score light that comes with Finale. It works well for very clean originals and terribly for anything not pristine or any weird font. Lots of times I end up entering everything note by note (very tedious). Don't even try to play clarinet into the microphone - you'll get garbage. Playing the original on a midi keyboard works well if you have one.
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2013-08-30 17:45
In a similar discussion a few years ago on this board, someone pointed out that the version of Smartscore integrated in Finale is Smartscore Lite and having the "lite" handicap, its OCR was less effective than the full version, Smartscore Pro.
I doubted this assertion and did a test, importing the same tiff into Smartscore Lite in Finale and Smartscore Pro. The person was right, the OCR engine of Smartscore Pro was more accurate (produced more right notes/rhythms/rests etc) than that of Smartscore Lite. I compared the current versions of each at the time.
So now I import the scan into Smartscore Pro and export the result into Finale.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2013-08-30 18:23
The claim is that the Pro versions recognize more details - more text expression marks, lyrics, I think tuplets and some other notation items that the "lite" versions don't read.
Karl
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Author: Paula S
Date: 2013-08-30 18:43
I have Photoscore Ultimate. Pretty good until you try to transpose something rhythmically complicated. Went mad when I tried to transpose the Ireland Fantasy Sonata for my Eb clarinet ( ssssh don't tell Peter Cigleris......... he will discipline me severely LOL ;-)
Post Edited (2013-08-30 18:44)
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Author: Roxann
Date: 2013-08-31 03:18
Thank you, EVERYBODY! As always, you've been extremely helpful. I'm most grateful.
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