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Author: Trevor M
Date: 2011-12-31 02:53
A friend put on a compilation of '20s jazz today, all fairly unremarkable until I happened to hear these amazingly fast and fully-articulated runs on the saxophone on 'Down Home Blues'. I believe that was Benny Kroeger with the Original Dixieland Jazz Band, and a little research turned up this guy, Rudy Wiedoeft, showing off the same kind of chops:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db9P-u1_2bE&feature=related
How is he *doing* those articulations that fast? I never hear sax (or clarinet) playing like this these days... is he double tonguing on a really light setup maybe? It sounds so clean!
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2011-12-31 15:57
VERY fast tongue, but you gotta check out Robert Frost. That dude can double tongue as quick, if not quicker.
I'm thinking it's just double tonguing, he's just really REALLY good at it.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2011-12-31 19:02
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Alexi -
Do you mean Martin Fröst? I've never heard of a sax (or clarinet) player named Robert Frost. Yes. Martin Frost. My brain intertwined Robert Spring and Martin Frost into a hybrid made up person. But the examples I've heard of Martin Frost are faster than the examples I've heard from Robert Spring so I meant MARTIN FROST. Sorry.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2011-12-31 20:25
Al Gallodoro is the real thing. He had style and swagger to his playing. It is way more than just fast tonguing. Al had a gorgeous tone that wasn't a classical sax tone but part of era in music. The clip that Tobin submitted is fantastic but it seems to be a player of the 1980's sounding like Rudy Weidoeft(60 years before). Al himself played with Paul Whiteman in the 30's but his style was authentic not just a throwback. There were times when Al played beside Vincent Abato. Now that was duo!! On the one clip of Artie Shaw on youtube Al is right beside Artie Shaw(playing sax) Al used double tongue for fast playing.
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2011-12-31 22:25
You know -- I'm not really well versed in great saxophonists. My old teacher was in the DC Army band when Douse was in the Marine band.
The Youtube clip says it's a Radio Broadcast transcript from 1948.
Having done a little more research, however, Douse wrote a book on how to double and triple tongue -- so we can safely assume that he's not single tonguing in that clip!
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2012-01-01 18:51
You might find it interesting to have a copy of Wiedoeft's Saxophobia and Clariphobia to trifle with.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Trevor M
Date: 2012-01-02 09:37
"You might find it interesting to have a copy of Wiedoeft's Saxophobia and Clariphobia to trifle with."
Yeah, it seems like there was a fair amount of fast-tongue sheet music these guys put out... anybody know where to get any of it, short of auction sites? Some of it must be getting close to being public domain.
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2012-01-02 14:42
Subsequent to his retirement from the Marine Band, Kenny Douse joined the National Symphony, playing violin(!) and sax -- as needed. It was my pleasure to sit in his vicinity, marveling at his sax virtuosity (and musicianship) as well as his excellent violin playing! He apparently joined the Marines as a violinist and took up the saxophone as part of his military duties. He was a wonderful gentleman , a steadfast friend and an amazing musical talent! His soprano sax solos on the old NSO Westminster recording of the "Age of Gold" suite are worth the effort to hunt down this ancient LP!
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Author: Douse
Date: 2018-10-12 06:50
James, you are absolutely correct. Kenneth Douse used triple and double tonguing in those recordings.
Granddaughter, Marlene
marlene.netherton@yahoo.com
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2018-10-12 08:01
My teacher, Louis Greenspan, loved your granddad’s playing Marlene!
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2018-10-17 04:20
Not to dump on Donald Sinta as he is a great saxophonist but this is not his best. The staccato seems rushed and the sound of the fast notes is rather ugly. I wouldn’t judge him by this alone as he is masterful performer.
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: ned
Date: 2018-10-17 05:42
Trevor,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db9P-u1_2bE&feature=related
I put this address in to YT but unrelated stuff emerged. I also typed in the name and title of the tune, to no avail.
Can you send us a hyperlink please?
thanks,
jk
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