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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-07 06:34
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I've got a later production Penzel Mueller clarinet that I picked up a few months ago and after going over it more thoroughly in preparation for a repad I'm starting to suspect that it may not have been made by P-M. It has a few features that I have never seen on another P-M clarinet. First, the tenon socket on the lower joint is metal-sleeved, something I had previously only seen on clarinets with a tonehole in the tenon.
Also the posts on the lower joint have wide round bases with a tiny locking screw inserted along the perimeter, something I haven't seen on P-M's before (but have seen on Malerne's). Another interesting bit is that the logo reads "New York, Toronto, Paris" instead of the more familiar "Long Island City, NY".
I've posted a couple of pictures. Anyone have some thoughts on who might have made this if not P-M?
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Author: BobD
Date: 2011-08-07 09:50
Well....it is inscribed "Studio Recording Model" and looks great....and also has the PM name inscribed. I wouldn't question its authenticity.
Bob Draznik
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-07 18:15
BobD wrote:
> Well....it is inscribed "Studio Recording Model" and looks
> great....and also has the PM name inscribed. I wouldn't
> question its authenticity.
>
I don't doubt that P-M marketed and sold it. I just wonder whether it was made in the US or if it was a stencil produced for P-M by someone else, mostly because of the different logo.
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Author: Kontra
Date: 2011-08-07 19:56
Thats an interesting PM. I've never heard of or seen their Studio Model. I don't have time right now, but when I get home I can check out my Penzel Mueller (It's an Empire State) and see if the posts look like the one you have.
It may actually be a Malerne. The fact that it says Penzel Mueller and Toronto and Paris is very interesting. I think Malerne did make a few PMs. I'm no vintage clarinet expert though.
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-08 04:08
@ Kontra:
The posts on the Empire State have narrow bases and no locking screw (I have one as well as 6 other P-M clarinets). None of the other P-M clarinets I have seen use posts like these.
It's possible that it could have been made by Malerne as I have seen similar style post on other clarinets reportedly made by them. However, I believe Malerne typically stamped all of the instruments they made as "made in France" while this instrument does not list country of origin.
I guess it's entirely possible that P-M simply changed their logo in an attempt to appeal to a wider audience (the Canadian market perhaps?). The different style posts could have been just cost saving measure as they would definitely require less labor to install than the type used on the Artist and Brilliante models. Of course if the goal was to reduce costs then it doesn't make much sense to include the sleeved tenon socket. Weird.
My guess would be that this was an intermediate model since it has nickel-plated keys. Seems to be a pretty nice intermediate model though. I'll be interested to see how it plays once I fix all of the leaky pads. If it shows promise I might have to send it off for an overhaul by someone who actually knows what they're doing (not me).
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2011-08-08 18:50
"... Malerne typically stamped all of the instruments they made as "made in France""
Not correct. I have a Malerne stencil made for Linton that is marked "U.S.A.Paris" in the logo (possibly signifying that the parts were made in Paris by Malerne but assembled in Elkhart by Linton) with no other indication of country of manufacture.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-08 20:34
Jack Kissinger wrote:
> Not correct. I have a Malerne stencil made for Linton that is
> marked "U.S.A.Paris" in the logo (possibly signifying that the
> parts were made in Paris by Malerne but assembled in Elkhart by
> Linton) with no other indication of country of manufacture.
Fair enough. I have a Conn bass clarinet made by Malerne that is stamped "made in France". Perhaps it wasn't done consistently across all of the many stencil brands.
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2011-08-15 20:37
Do you know how old it is? G Pruefer had a patent for a metal inner sleeve for WWI that looks a lot like your horn. He was a vice-president at P-M in the twenties and early thirties as I recall. It's possible that he had a hand in the design of this P-M instrument. I don't have evidence, just a hunch...
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-08-16 03:23
chris moffatt wrote:
> Do you know how old it is? G Pruefer had a patent for a metal
> inner sleeve for WWI that looks a lot like your horn. He was a
> vice-president at P-M in the twenties and early thirties as I
> recall. It's possible that he had a hand in the design of this
> P-M instrument. I don't have evidence, just a hunch...
Based on the font used for the logo as well as the format of the serial number I would guess that this one dates somewhere from the late 40's to when P-M folded in the early 50's, so likely well after Pruefer's time at the company.
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