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Author: pkluttik
Date: 2011-07-18 21:11
Dear clarinet friends,
I have some specific questions about some ballet music which I"m preparing for an auditon...The bundle of copied music which I was sent seems to have some errors. .If anyone has a source for me to check out the scores online (or the parts themselves) for the correct notes.... I'd greatly appreciate it.
1. In Bizet's Symphony in C (C Clarinet) 3rd movement 3 and 4 measures after reh. number 8 sounds odd with the written concert B (played C#). Should these be Bb's?
2. In Prokofiev's Cinderella Ballet, No. 2 in the copy I have it seems to go to A at reh. #7, and remain in A at reh # 9. Yet here there are penciled in sharps that don't fit with the key signature seeming to suggest that the previous clarinetist wanted to play the part on the A clarinet, yet the markings aren't consistent and don't make sense with the rest. Ideas are greatly appreciated!
3. In Tchaikovsky's Mozartiana Suite No. 4 No. 4 Theme and Variatioins it's clearly marked for C clarinet, yet at the end of Variation 10 on page 5 at the 3/8 just after the huge well known clarinet solo, the heading on the page says Clarinet in A yet ,there's no switch noted in the part and no rests. I'm assuming it's all for C and it's a typo?
Thanks very much for any ideas you might have.....Karen Luttik
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Author: GBK
Date: 2011-07-18 21:53
pkluttik wrote:
> 1. In Bizet's Symphony in C (C Clarinet) 3rd movement 3 and 4 measures
> after reh. number 8 sounds odd with the written concert B (played C#).
> Should these be Bb's?
Yes
...GBK
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Author: davyd
Date: 2011-07-19 03:19
"3. In Tchaikovsky's Mozartiana Suite No. 4 No. 4 Theme and Variatioins it's clearly marked for C clarinet, yet at the end of Variation 10 on page 5 at the 3/8 just after the huge well known clarinet solo, the heading on the page says Clarinet in A yet ,there's no switch noted in the part and no rests. I'm assuming it's all for C and it's a typo?"
Correct: it's all for C. The indication for A is a typo.
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2011-07-19 06:16
>1. In Bizet's Symphony in C (C Clarinet) 3rd movement 3 and 4 measures
> after reh. number 8 sounds odd with the written concert B (played C#).
> Should these be Bb's?
My understanding is that they are concert B naturals.
Most program notes point out the Scottish flavour of this third movement by mentioning the bagpipe-like drones. However, there is an interesting article in a 1958 edition of Musical Quarterly that discusses Bizet's use of a bagpipe scale in this movement, resulting in the notes in question, which may sound wrong at first blush but sound right when you realize you are playing a bagpipe scale.
For what it's worth, I've played Symphony in C scores of times and the concert Bs after reh. 8 are always natural (C#s if you play the part on Bb clarinet - the original part is for C clarinet).
>3. In Tchaikovsky's Mozartiana Suite No. 4 No. 4 Theme and Variatioins it's >clearly marked for C clarinet, yet at the end of Variation 10 on page 5 at the >3/8 just after the huge well known clarinet solo, the heading on the page says >Clarinet in A yet ,there's no switch noted in the part and no rests. I'm >assuming it's all for C and it's a typo?
You might already know that many play the big solo on A clarinet (putting the solo in Bb major, rather than the more-awkward A major on Bb clarinet). I mention this inferring that you will not be playing either the Bizet or the Tchaikovsky on C clarinet, since you mention "played C#" for the concert Bs.
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Simon Aldrich
Clarinet Faculty - McGill University
Principal Clarinet - Orchestre Metropolitain de Montreal
Principal Clarinet - Orchestre de l'Opera de Montreal
Artistic Director - Jeffery Summer Concerts
Clarinet - Nouvel Ensemble Moderne
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Author: gsurosey
Date: 2011-07-19 16:44
For the Bizet, according to the parts on IMSLP (which are in Bb), the notes in question are C naturals, so they would be Bbs in C. I played this piece a year or so ago, but I played 2nd and I don't remember if the first player had to change anything or not.
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Rachel
Clarinet Stash:
Bb/A: Buffet R13
Eb: Bundy
Bass: Royal Global Max
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2011-07-19 19:12
>For the Bizet, according to the parts on IMSLP (which are in Bb), the notes in >question are C naturals, so they would be Bbs in C.
There are two sets of parts (two different editions) for Symphony in C on IMSLP. One edition is transposed for Bb clarinet and the other edition has the third movement transposed for A clarinet (!). I have never seen that movement on A clarinet in all my years of playing the piece. Both editions have the note in question as a concert Bb.
I suspect both these hand-written editions had the bagpipe note (concert B natural) "sanitized" by an editor.
My two parts for Symphony in C that I always use (one for the original C clarinet and the other transposed for Bb clarinet) both have the notes in question as B naturals (C# on Bb clarinet).
We have to keep in mind that IMSLP, as wonderful a resource as it is, is not authoritative. Many bad editions are uploaded to IMSLP.
Simon
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Author: gsurosey
Date: 2011-07-20 18:35
Simon Aldrich wrote:
> We have to keep in mind that IMSLP, as wonderful a resource as
> it is, is not authoritative. Many bad editions are uploaded to
> IMSLP.
Good call, Simon. I didn't think about that. Which I should've knowing I have gotten music from there that wasn't 100% accurate.
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Rachel
Clarinet Stash:
Bb/A: Buffet R13
Eb: Bundy
Bass: Royal Global Max
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Author: pkluttik
Date: 2011-07-26 21:30
Thanks all! I"m happy with all your responses !
Musicaleren
(603) 438 6362
pkluttik@gmail.com
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2011-08-25 01:47
Karen Luttik asks:
> In Tchaikovsky's Mozartiana Suite No. 4 No. 4 Theme and Variatioins it's clearly marked for C clarinet, yet at the end of Variation 10 on page 5 at the 3/8 just after the huge well known clarinet solo, the heading on the page says Clarinet in A yet, there's no switch noted in the part and no rests. I'm assuming it's all for C and it's a typo? <
Karen -
The cadenza is written for Clarinet in C, on which it is difficult but playable. Transposed up a step for clarinet in Bb it becomes nearly impossible. However, transposed up a minor third for clarinet in A it is much less difficult, and most clarinetists who do not own a clarinet in C play it on the A. The marking in your part is a reminder that the transposition continues.
Ken Shaw
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