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Author: Benjamin
Date: 2011-01-23 15:30
Besides the noodles in the 2nd suite of Ravel's Daphnis et Chloe, what other standard Eb parts are easier and/or sound better on the D clarinet?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2011-01-23 15:44
I;ve heard that Till Oilen---- is preferred by some on the D. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2011-01-23 15:59
Til, as well as a few other Strauss works, are originally written in D. I Believe some of the Shostakovich symphonies are also considered to be easier, the solo in the 5th as well as in the 6th and or 7th according to our Eb player who's been talking about getting a D clarinet for the past hundred years, or more. I guess he won't get one though. He'll just keep saying "this sure would be easier on a D clarinet". ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2011-01-23 16:08
Sometimes it's not the whole part that is easier. Just like a soprano clarinet parts which alternate between Bb and A clarinet, one can alternate between Eb and D clarinet to facilitate certain treacherous passages or improve pitch. I switch to D clarinet for some passages in the Eb part for the Ravel Piano Concerto in G. Conversely, some of the written D clarinet parts in Rite of Spring resonate better and are more in tune on Eb clarinet.
The famous Eb clarinet solo in the second movement of Shostakovich's 5th Symphony is an example of the solo resonating better on D clarinet. On D clarinet the solo is in G minor, rather than F# minor on Eb clarinet.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2011-01-23 16:36
The piccolo clarinet part for Stravinsky's Rite of Spring alternates between D and Eb clarinets.
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jnk
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2011-01-24 17:39
The score I'm using is the 1987 Dover reprint of the conductor's score for the first edition, from 1910. I'm not disputing what you wrote, because this first edition score is a notorious horror show of transcription errors, including inconsistent notation, with the transposing instruments transposed for the conductor in some places but not others. Also, Stravinsky revised this score later and arranged two different suites from it. Thus it's entirely possible that this 1910 conductor's score *should* direct one of the clarinetists to switch to clarinet in E-flat at some point, or that the part does indicate a switch even though the full score doesn't; and that later versions do call for clarinet in E-flat. However, I can find no clarinet in Eb for any of the three clarinet players in the 1910 full ballet score.
In the Dover reprint, clarinets 1 and 2 each use both clarinets in A and in Bb. At the beginning of the score, the Introduction, all three clarinet parts are for clarinet in A but all are tacet. The third clarinet, the one that becomes piccolo clarinet, comes in on clarinet in A at measure 10 and then changes to piccolo clarinet in D at rehearsal no. 1, the beginning of "Tableau," then stays on clarinet in D until switching to clarinet in A at rehearsal number 28 (during the three bars of rest at the poco a poco rall.), then is told to switch back to piccolo clarinet in D in the rests at the third bar after rehearsal no. 32 (just before the rests that begin the Allegretto at rehearsal no. 33) and stays on clarinet in D right through to the end of the ballet.
Lelia
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2011-01-24 19:25
I'm not sure whose post you are responding to Lelia but, if it's mine, note that you are referring to the Firebird (L'Oiseau de Feu) while I am referring to the Rite of Spring (Le Sacre du Printemps).
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jnk
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2011-01-25 13:17
>>I'm not sure whose post you are responding to Lelia but, if it's mine, note that you are referring to the Firebird (L'Oiseau de Feu) while I am referring to the Rite of Spring (Le Sacre du Printemps).>>
Whoops! Sorry! Pagan shamans stole my brain (if any)....
Lelia
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2011-01-25 14:32
Lelia writes: "In the Dover reprint, clarinets 1 and 2 each use both clarinets in A and in Bb. At the beginning of the score, the Introduction, all three clarinet parts are for clarinet in A but all are tacet."
I'm sure the tacet parts sound much better on the A clarinet. After all, who would dare to perform Cage's 4'33" on harpsichord?
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Author: Merlin_Williams
Date: 2011-01-25 16:55
The first movement of Mahler 1 would certainly be easier. Probably the fourth movement as well.
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2011-01-25 21:54
D clarinet is a good substitute not only for Eb parts. Ginastera's Variaciones Concertantes has a movement on A clarinet which contains a run which goes up to a high D. Many people play this on Bb and even more (these days) have the Eb clarinet player finish the run for them.
However one can play the movement on D clarinet. On D clarinet the lowest note in the movement is a low E and the high run ends on a high A. Or you can switch to D clarinet in the 8 bars preceding the run in question.
And yes, the Mahler 1 Eb part is much easier on D.
Simon
PS Time to grind an old axe I thought this thread might descend into the usual bun-fight between those who find a professional without honour for playing a part on the "wrong" clarinet and those who have 5 or 6 programs to stay on top of, including Salome
Then I realized - nobody can object to playing Eb clarinet parts on D clarinet. To do so is absurd since professional Eb clarinet players play a significant percentage of their repertoire on the "wrong" clarinet if they use Eb clarinet for Til, Firebird, Rite of Spring, Schoenberg 1st Chamber Symphony, Mahler 5, Mahler 6, etc, etc.
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