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Author: dansil
Date: 2010-10-07 01:08
Hi, courtesy of eBay I'm graduating from a Leblanc low E bass to a Buffet low C bass (1193 2) and while waiting for the "beast" to arrive downunder from the US I have struggled in vain to find information about this particular model and in particular, the fingering pattern for some of the most expensive 4 notes you'll ever find on a clarinet (contrabass excluded).
Is the fingering pattern on this BB Resources page valid for this model?
How do the low notes influence altissimo fingering?
Can the lower 4 notes be used in the clarion and altissimo fingerings or are they useless in these registers?
Unfortunately none of the teachers in this area have any experience with bass clarinet so I need your help!
Thanks, Danny Silver
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2010-10-07 01:49
LH: E, F#, and F all as you expect. Add a LH G# (above/between E and F#) and LH D (near the F).
RH: E, F#, F, G# as you expect. Add a low Eb (beneath the E) and low D (beneath the F).
Thumb has three: top is D, middle is Db, low is C. I personally never use the thumb D, but perhaps I'll find a use for it.
"How do the low notes influence altissimo fingering?"
Not at all for me.
"Can the lower 4 notes be used in the clarion and altissimo fingerings or are they useless in these registers?"
No they can't in general. I'm not withholding that someone doesn't have a use for them, but I have not found one yet.
Have fun!
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2010-10-07 03:03
"RH: E, F#, F, G# as you expect. Add a low Eb (beneath the E) and low D (beneath the F)."
That low D (beneath the F), the 6th right pinky key, is a life saver in some situations like the Shostakovich Violin Concerto.
In a fast passage, trying to find the left low D in that morass of left pinky keys can be a nightmare.
Simon
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-10-07 03:16
Somehow I managed to muddle through the Shosty Violin Concerto last year without the 6th pinky key, so it is possible.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2010-10-07 04:05
Not sure what you mean by "low notes" but the G/D key can affect some alitissimo fingerings since it opens the body reg hole instead of the neck hole. So altissimo fingerings with this key closed don't work the same.
I sometimes close the G/D key itself (i.e. part with pad) with my finger. Since it is the lever that operated the register mech I then can open the neck key. I don't use this for altissimo though.
The low notes from Eb down don't play a 12th very good if you want a "regular" good tone. I sometimes use the long Bb (low Eb fingering with reg key) for some things, but not for a good Bb note.
I personally use all the low D keys, which one depends on the situation. I used all three in one piece when there was pretty much a page full of them (repeatitive bass line sort of), my pinkies got tired. I guess I most often the right pinky D.
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Author: Simon Aldrich
Date: 2010-10-07 13:16
"Somehow I managed to muddle through the Shosty Violin Concerto last year without the 6th pinky key, so it is possible."
To be sure, it's possible. I myself have never played that piece on bass so perhaps I was talking through my hat. When we did the piece a few months ago, the bass clarinet player in my orchestra had to put coarse tape on the left low D to find it. I remember thinking I was glad I had a right-pinky low D on my bass.
Simon
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Author: Jeff Chan
Date: 2010-10-10 00:17
I just played Mahler 4 and used the long B-flat for the triplets at the end of the 4th movement. Just seemed easier to me than the thumb-first fingering and I thought the tone quality was better, too (much like the A + side key throat B-flat, but easier to get to). Maybe it's just my Buffet.
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