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Author: clarinetlover5
Date: 2009-08-29 05:35
ok so i am pretty angry over what happened recently. I tried out for nyssma allstate earlier in april, and i got a 98. But apparently I got rejected! I'm planning on auditioning for the Juilliard School during my senior year and I really needed that entrance into all state to go on my application! If I cannot even get into all state, it looks like I probably couldn't even get into any music school, let alone Juilliard. I've been in other honor bands and I have done a lot with the clarinet, but I have a feeling I am still not good enough. ugh
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Author: GBK
Date: 2009-08-29 06:00
I am a NYSSMA judge.
Most years, a score of 98 on clarinet is not high enough to be considered for NYSSMA All-State.
If you score a 100, you will definitely be placed in one of the All State groups (Symphonic Band, Symphony Orchestra, Wind Ensemble)
You can also get chosen with a score of 99, but some years it might also put you on the alternate list, with no guarantee of getting in.
The reality is that there a quite a few very talented students who score 100 on clarinet, flute or alto saxophone.
...GBK
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Author: bcl1dso
Date: 2009-08-29 06:56
Just because you didn't get into all-state definitely doesn't mean that you won't get into a certain school. Yes all-state is important, but it certainly isn't the be all end all. Don't beat yourself up too much, just keep practicing. Also your resume for college means virtually nothing, they are not going to reject you just because you didn't make all-state. Especially for a school like Juilliard, your audition is pretty much all the matters, and maybe a bit of "who you know".
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2009-08-29 08:00
"I'm planning on auditioning for the Juilliard School during my senior year and I really needed that entrance into all state to go on my application!"
I guess this means that you are not a senior now? So maybe next year you can make it. Also, 98 and 100 is such a small difference that it is very possible that you can work out the kinks by the time you actually have your audition.
"If I cannot even get into all state, it looks like I probably couldn't even get into any music school, let alone Juilliard."
No, you can get into many music schools, even possibly Juilliard- perhaps not today, but your audition is not today.
If you really want to go to Juilliard (or any school) you should contact and meet with the teacher that you want to study with. As mentioned above, this can be thought of as a "who you know" way to get in. I don't think this is totally true- even if you know the teacher very well, you won't get in if you are not good enough. The advantage I see is that the teacher in question knows the school and knows what the judges want to hear. Thus, the teacher can help you build a good audition using pieces that show the audition committee the best of your playing.
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Author: vin
Date: 2009-08-29 15:50
NYSSMA has no bearing on your admission to Juilliard. It's your audition at the school that counts. Keep practicing...
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2009-08-29 16:10
Calm down... All-state is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, and you can most definitely get into a good music school without it. I didn't even know such a thing existed until I heard someone reminiscing about it a couple years into college.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2009-08-30 16:37
Is that a score out of a 100? How does the NYMEA rank so many clarinetists who get 100? In other words, how do they differentiate and, say, rank the top 10?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2009-08-30 16:55
clarinetist04 wrote:
> Is that a score out of a 100? How does the NYMEA rank so many
> clarinetists who get 100? In other words, how do they
> differentiate and, say, rank the top 10?
The NYSSMA All State point system is based on 100 points. At the end of the solo contest, each All State zone judge submits a list ranking the students they evaluated from 1 to 30.
The first 10 places could conceivably be all students who received 100, but the judge puts them in order of who he thought were the top players. Although it is somewhat subjective, it should be based on numerous criteria, such as musicality, technical proficency and difficulty of repertoire (ex: some Grade 6 solos are considered "easier" than other Grade 6 solos)
All the lists are then pooled by the All State committee, and students are assigned to groups. The Symphonic Orchestra is the top ensemble, followed by the Wind Ensemble and the Band.
Students who make All State for two consecutive years are never placed in the same group twice.
Disclaimer - My top clarinet student got 2nd chair in the orchestra this year, but I was NOT the judge 
...GBK
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2009-08-30 18:54
Interesting. When I was doing this some years ago as a student in Virginia, they give you a prepared piece (all perform the same prepared piece), sight reading, chromatic, and major scales. Out of 200 pts total.
Major scales and chromatic scale each are worth 10 points, the prepared piece is worth 40 pts, and sight reading gets 40 pts. In one room, two judges adjudicate the major scales and prepared piece and in the other room they adjudicate the chromatic scale and sight reading piece. Two judges in each room times the points above = 200 pts.
Each of the 16 (I think) districts sends up to 10 clarinetists as ranked at the district level (which uses the same rubric as at the state level) to audition in Harrisonburg at JMU for the state-wide ensembles and they are ranked by score. Ties are broken by sight reading. More objective than y'all have in NY.
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Author: clarinetlover5
Date: 2009-08-31 02:33
well i guess its ok, i can try again next year and i will hopefully get a 100, or at the very least a 99! i think im going to apply to NYSBDA this year. i believe a 98 could definetly get in i think, since all the 100's and some 99's are out of the way. although i was rejected with a 99 on a level 5 last year, that makes sense.
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Author: clarinetlover5
Date: 2009-08-31 02:38
Disclaimer - My top clarinet student got 2nd chair in the orchestra this year, but I was NOT the judge
...GBK
wouldnt that mean that they went to all eastern too?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2009-08-31 02:46
clarinetlover5 wrote:
> Disclaimer - My top clarinet student got 2nd chair in the
> orchestra this year, but I was NOT the judge
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> ...GBK
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> wouldnt that mean that they went to all eastern too?
Yes....He went to All Eastern and (again) got 2nd chair in the orchestra.
But I think that the clarinet section rotated parts, so everyone got a chance to play principal.
...GBK
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