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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2009-06-27 19:14
What is different about them? I haven't heard about them yet.
Chris Hill
Rico Artist (So I should probably know something about them already, but I don't.)
Post Edited (2009-06-27 19:18)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2009-06-27 23:02
Rumor hath it that they are based on reeds that are identical to those made by a well known player who makes his own reeds.
Hope I get to try one shortly after their -ahem-"opening night" -hint,hint- debut.
edited to correct a grammatical error and to emphasize the not so obtuse hint
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2009-06-28 13:44)
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Author: Ryan K
Date: 2009-06-28 04:00
I've heard that player is Mark Nuccio.
Ryan Karr
Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2009-07-01 22:56
This is straight from the man himself: Mark Nuccio did indeed design a new Rico Reserve Classic clarinet reed, and it was supposed to be available today (July 1, 2009), although I see that it has not yet been announced on the ricoreeds.com website.
The box will be white and purple.
So there ya have it.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2009-07-01 22:58)
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Author: Brad Behn
Date: 2009-07-02 04:13
It is similar to Vandoren traditional (blue box) shape but but without the vamp score. Additionally the tip shape is flatter (more like V12) at this time (although they have been tinkering with it to some degree).
Rico is currently building inventory and the Classic should be available in a few weeks.
Brad Behn
http://www.clarinetmouthpiece.com
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-07-02 09:46
Why new version? Why do they not expand it to Eb soprano,bass and maybe alto or basset horn like they have it for the whole saxophone family ?
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Author: BobD
Date: 2009-07-02 14:06
Ooooh, Blummy, tell us more, tell us more.
Bob Draznik
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Author: William
Date: 2009-07-03 14:39
I've had good results from Rico Reserves in the past, so I'll give them a try when they hit my music store. But right now, my Forestone reeds are playing and sounding so well that I think I may be done with the hassels of cane forever.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2009-07-03 17:46
Bardu, I see only the original Bb Rico Reserve reeds listed on WWandBW
These do not appear to be the NEW Rico Reserve Classic in a purple and white box. (Nuccio specifically told me they will be in a purple and white box).
As of this AM, the ricoreeds.com website has not yet rolled out the new species.
To add insult to injury, the NEW Legere signature style reed has not made it onto the WWBW listing. Legere emailed me that WWBW had ordered a shipment and WWBW likewise emailed me that they would be offered as soon as they got the supply.
Will all of us would-be buyers clamoring for them, you would think that retail or online managers would be touting them with spectacular "Coming Soon" notices. If I were the Dir. of Marketing or the COO, that is what I would do. I guess I just do not understand business.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: BobD
Date: 2009-07-03 22:11
I heard a rumour that Emma Johnson is auditioning them!
Bob Draznik
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Author: HBO
Date: 2009-07-04 07:28
Great... just when I thought I would finally settle with the reed issue!
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2009-07-05 00:21
Dave and Allan,
From what you know, are these going to be offered in addition to the current model Reserves, or do you think they will replace them?
Chris
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2009-07-08 21:08
Ok, shipment came just now. Looking at them, they look really good, nice thick taper - thicker sides than the Reserve.
They come 10 to a box and there's no vitalizer packet anymore - so they are boxed like the Evolution Reed.
Haven't played them yet, will later.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2009-07-09 02:40
Ok, played em - they are very good!
From Rico:
- Special cane curing process that helps reduce reed warping
- Gradual tip shape adding more tonal warmth
- Traditional tip thickness for a quick articulation
- Offered in 2.0 to 4.5 including a 3.5+ and 4.0+ strength
- Like the Reserve line, uses only the densest, lower internode cane for longer durability and consistency
The packaging is a lot better and it's like the current Evolution, old Vandoren, etc - square cigarette pack style.
Certainly worth a try. I'm not sure if I'll switch to them from the current Reserve reed, but will see over time.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2009-07-09 02:47
David,
Can you say how, in your view, the new reeds differ from the Reserves and the Grand Concert Select (thick blank).
I've had mixed results with the Reserves, but I like the GCS thick blank, though sometimes they seem to get soft faster than, say, a good Vandoren blue box or V12.
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Author: HBO
Date: 2009-07-09 08:46
Oh gosh, NOW I'm excited...
...but Mr. Blumberg, do tell me... is it unfiled or filed? I tend to get bad results from filed reeds... so I'm really curious now (and I AM using Evolution reeds...)
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Author: Ed
Date: 2009-07-09 13:04
weberfan says:
"I've had mixed results with the Reserves, but I like the GCS thick blank, though sometimes they seem to get soft faster than, say, a good Vandoren blue box or V12."
FWIW-I have sometimes found this. Recently I tried a half strength harder in the GC Thick Blank and found it gives just a little more meatiness to the reed.
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2009-07-09 18:24
Ed,
Thanks for the suggestion, on bumping up to a stiffer reed.
That actually worked for me with Vandoren's a while back.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-07-15 12:48
Check out the Rico website Mark Nuccio is there in 5 new videos talking about this new reed and also how he selects,how he approach performances reeds,how he brake them in etc.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-07-15 13:08
Well he talks about to choose the right size of reeds. The reed he picked right out of the box sounded just right for him but I have tried many different brands that sound right for me from the start and when I've brake them in for 5 days or so they just get too thin. I get this result with many different brands(Rico,Vandoren,Xilema,Glotin,Alexander,Neuranter,Gonzalez etc.) and I've tried over 20 different reed types. So I always like to have the reeds a little bit too hard in the beginning so I can also have some space if the reed is unbalanced. Then I have no problem after the brake-in process if the reed still happens to be a little bit too hard to sand it down. The actually right size from the beginning means for me a failure.
So how do people manage to get the right size right out of the box and they don't get too soft after the brake-in process ?
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-07-17 12:28
They sure are expensive like 3 boxes(15 reeds) of the Reserve and even more than hand made reeds from really small company such as Canyes Xilema. Also more expensive than the popular and increasing in price all the time V-12. Well they must be super good to justify the high price.
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Author: Ryan25
Date: 2009-07-17 13:53
David,
Any idea about strength comparison for these reeds? I usually play Vandoren 3 1/2 or traditional 3. I know regular reserves are a bit softer than Vandoren according to Rico's strength chart.
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Author: jackchen
Date: 2009-07-17 13:59
Rico Reserve Classic $27.99 for a box of 10 reeds
http://1stopclarinet.stores.yahoo.net/rireclbbclre.html
Rico Reserve $9.49 for a box of 5 reeds
http://1stopclarinet.stores.yahoo.net/rirebbclre5p.html
Rico Reserve Classic is very expensive, almost 50% more expensive than Rico Reserve.
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Author: HBO
Date: 2009-07-18 02:34
Mr. Blumberg, do you think you can provide the rough strength comparison between the new Classic, the Evolution, and the V12? I want to compare them to the two brands once the Classic becomes availble and I have enough money to buy them... but it would be nice if I know what strength for Classic is fit to compare against the Evolution and the V12, you know?
Just the Evolution vs. the Classic would be nice also, since I use the Evolution primarily...
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-07-18 13:13
Well I have to say that the Rue Lepic is softer than V-12 and both Reserve 3.5+ and Rue Lepic 3.5+ are equal to V-12 3.5
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Author: dallask622
Date: 2009-07-18 19:04
Just to clarify David,....Daddario is NOT the distributor of Vandoren anymore and hasn't been for a few years! DANSR, inc. is the sole US distributor.
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Author: clariknight
Date: 2009-07-18 19:39
Has anyone ordered the new ones from 1stop yet? I'm just wondering if it is a preorder thing, seeing as no other online sites seems to be selling them yet.
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Author: J. J.
Date: 2009-07-20 00:06
Yeah, I don't see what the problem is, especially since David's signature clearly mentions him as a Rico clinician. Would the board be better served by him not mentioning the new reeds coming out?
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2009-07-20 00:41
I think people are mad because David endorses the new sneaker Air Rico. It comes in black so you can wear it for concerts as well as rehearsals.
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2009-07-20 14:53
Mine just arrived. 2 boxes of the 3.5+. Purple box.
Will go home and check them out this evening.
Jut wanted folks to know they are truly AVAILABLE now.
And I think we should THANK Dave for letting us know about the new product. Besides that, I enjoyed hearing Mark Nuccio's commentary on the design and breaking in on the these reeds. Would've never checked that out had Dave not brought this to our attention!
Eefer guy
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2009-07-20 15:48
I don't think we should worry much about product puffery by "unpaid" individuals on this board. Reactions and other opinions are interesting and sometimes informative to read.
In any case the "New Reserve Reed" is going to the same place the old "Reserve Reed" went...nowhere!
Clarinet Redux
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2009-07-20 21:56
Hi guys,
Just tried them and I LOVE THEM! The sound is VERY nice. I also cut one down to play on the Eefer and it is really good on it too. It doesn't have the "ping" of the Gonzalez reeds but these sound very smooth and full.
I did have to adjust a little on the 3.5+'s as they are a bit more + than I thought they would be. However, a couple passes of my reed knife and they are fine. Anyway for those of you use 3.5's normally you might want to go with those rather than the the +'s.
After years of avoiding Rico products like the plague (alrthough I do use some Grand Concerts on the bass) I'll probably be a constant customer. These are nice.
Thank you Dave!
Eefer guy
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-07-21 00:47
Tell me if the reeds will get maybe too soft after couple of days. If a reed is too stiff for me in the beginning I sand them and/or balance them down so they feel a bit harder than I would like so after the brake-in process they feel about right.
Right size out of the box(Gonzalez,Xilema,Rico,Vandoren,Alexander,Vintage etc.) means all the time for me that after the brake-in process they feel too soft for me.
I have always luck with sanding down a hard reed but I never get a concert quality reed out of cliping the reed.
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Author: tjallen
Date: 2009-07-21 06:37
Just got some 4+'s in. They have got my hopes really high after day one! Every reed is playable right out of the box and all have a defined heart. Most of the ten felt like the one before in ease of response, strength, and sound color.
Regardless if the become the staple to replace my 4/4.5 V12s or not, I am ready for more precision, quality, effort, and innovation (don't get me started on consistency) from a company that I give, on average $1100 each year. Vandoren, hear our cries: cure the cane to minimize warpage, put a HEART in my reed (or at least a spine), and use higher consistency standards with strength measurement, please. I don't like playing the lottery with such a critical component to our artistic endeavors.
I wonder how low our expectations have become for our equipment makers. Expecting to have a performance reed or two in a box shouldn't be too much to ask. I hate explaining to family and friends that I just threw away 2-4 NEW reeds from a new box of V12s because they had no hope of even serving my practice needs.
A great teacher gave me some great advice: "A good violin player can play on a bad Suzuki violin, and still sound like a good violin player. If you have a bad reed on your clarinet, you sound bad." If our reed sucks, we suck.
I want to make music and put down the "do-all", rush, sandpaper, clippers, resurfacers, knives that don't pass airport security, and magic glass wands.
If technology and science has led to the ability to clone a living creature, I would think that some company could get a (very specific and defined) piece of grass to vibrate correctly most of the time.
-TJA
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2009-07-22 18:57
I purchased mine from 1Stop clarinet shop for $28/ box, which makes them much more reasonable. Am going to pass a couple to friends to see what they think too.
Eefer guy
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Author: BrianM
Date: 2009-07-24 19:21
I just got a few boxes of these. They seemed to play pretty well right out of the box, and with a little bit of adjustment were excellent. I gave I am most impressed with how easy it is to maintain a good tone at the top and bottom end oof my dynamics. I normally play on Rue 56 Lepics or Gonzalez F.O.F., but I think some of these are going to make it into my reed case. I passed some out to other players and the general consensus is that about 3 out of 4 are good with very little tweaking.
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Author: HBO
Date: 2009-07-28 07:22
Now these are available at Muncy Winds for about $28 per box...
Gotta try them as soon as my reeds run out...
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Author: Ryan25
Date: 2009-07-28 13:55
These are very, very good in my opinion. I added two of them to my current rotation and have been breaking them in over the last week. One of them is the best reed I have ever played....ever. The other is a wonderful orchestral reed with a lot of junk in the sound up close and amazing projection. Both have ideal response for my set up.
I'm sold on these.
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Author: jeffreyc
Date: 2009-08-07 13:10
I just received a few boxes of Rico Reserve Classic yesterday, and opened up a box of 4.0.
As someone who generally knows what he's doing with reeds (both homemade and commercial), I am happy to have access to a commerical reed that works this well out of the box.
I can absolutely say that is the first box of reeds I've ever opened in my life (of any brand) that had 6 or 7 with excellent potential! And the only time I can ever remember reeds playing this well without adjustment would be the rare Morre reed that just seemed to be perfect. Long live Morre! :-(
Of course time will tell how the Ricos break in and whether or not I personally make the move. I still think there is some room for improvement (packaging, humidity control, tip cuts, blanks that are even thickness on both sides, consistent length of vamp, etc.), but many of these things require more waste.
But Bravo to Rico for using a little extra science with reedmaking and I'm hoping that a little competition will drive DOWN (or at least stabilize) the seemingly ever increasing price of reeds.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2009-08-07 13:30
I picked up a couple of boxes (3.5 & 3.5+). So far, all the reeds I've tried (4 of the 3.5+) have been very good to excellent and I'm going to stick with them (I felt the same way about Gonzalez reeds initially too, but ended up going back to Vandoren V12s.) I haven't tried (or needed) to adjust at all, just simple breaking in.
I wonder about driving prices down, though (see jeffreyc above). I paid way too much ($38/box at Sam Ash in NYC - charged to my R&D account). Next time I buy will be via Amazon.com, which charges $29.99. Still, more expensive than what I've been paying for Vandorens. But perhaps worth it.
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Author: Ed Lowry
Date: 2009-08-07 16:44
I sent my ten reeds into Rico for their promotion several months ago. (send us your old reeds; we'll send you ours.) Never heard from them.
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2009-08-07 22:48
Glad to hear that these reeds are good.
I cannot think of any other product on the commercial market (in any industry) where a producer can sell MORE of the product by offering an inferior product to begin with. But that has been the case for decades with all the major reed producers (VD and Rico).
If Rico has truly made an advance that captures the availability of good cane with the advances of technology, the dollars will flow to them (as they should).
And competition will indeed drive down the price as additional retailers offer these reeds to customers who are shopping on the Internet exclusively.
May you live in interesting times.
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Author: 2E
Date: 2009-08-19 12:35
Anyone know when/where these reeds will hit australian shores?
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Author: CK
Date: 2009-08-20 05:22
Just got a box of the classic reserve reeds 4.0+ I normally use
Gonzalez FOF 3.5 . The rico reserve seems to be cut similar to the FOF
Gonzalez. I got them from Muncy $27.95 plus shipping.
I have starting to break them in, i am not sure yet if I would use them as a
replacement for the Gonzalez. I wil see. I use the reed Mahine from Ben
Armato and Ridenoir way of adjusting the tips.
So far they seem to have a good possibility but I do not as of yet feel I get the
:ring" I get with the FOF Gonzalez. I play a Selmer Signature with a cocobolo
Morales Backun Barrel and a Fobes Cicero Mpc.
Will let you know after a week or so
Prof of clarinet at Broward College
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Author: George Taylor
Date: 2009-08-22 14:25
I'm just back from my hoiday after the clarinet fest and got some samples of these reeds at the festival. I must say I'm very impressed, only problem is they are not available in the UK yet :(
I've had a look round online and have found Muncy to be the cheapest, has anyone found any cheaper?
Fingers crossed they last
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Author: HBO
Date: 2009-08-22 19:36
WWBW is selling them for 26.49 per box, but they don't have them in stock yet. According to their claim, they say they have 23 days to go, but I had instances where my Evolution reeds had to wait for 30 something days, when WWBW initially confirmed there were only 10 days for the stocks to come in.
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