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Author: markr
Date: 2009-01-26 00:02
Would anyone have any idea why my "Pedler" wooden clarinet would have the word HOOSIER in with the bell logo underneath it? the logo doesn't say Pedler Co. all it says is "Pedler" and underneath it it says in capital letters HOOSIER,.and underneath that says Elkhart Indiana,.has anyone ever heard of a Pedler "HOOSIER" ,.?
and would anyone have any idea of how much it may be worth as it is en VERY VERY good condition other than the age and normal wear,.it plays beautifully and has been re padded..
any idea's ?
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Author: FDF
Date: 2009-01-26 00:12
Sure it doesn't say, "Hoosier"? A nickname for people from Indiana.
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Author: markr
Date: 2009-01-26 00:17
YES it does say HOOSIER , sorry,.but,..why? or..maybe I should ask,.has anyone ever heard of a Pedler "HOOSIER" Clarinet ?
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2009-01-26 01:30
Pedler made student and first-level stepup clarinets. I doubt that you could get over $100 for it. An Antiques Road Show treasure it's not.
If you like it, keep it and use it in good health.
Ken Shaw
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Author: BobD
Date: 2009-01-26 12:51
Hoosier was a brand name horn made by Pedler. Ken's final sentence is right on.
Bob Draznik
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Author: modernicus
Date: 2009-01-26 13:30
These are fairly common on the great auction site as I recall. Any plain old "Pedler" or "The Pedler" clarinets are not well regarded AFAIK, but it is great that yours is good. I guess instruments do have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis as some suggested- there seem to be good and bad of many brands when you read many people's experiences. With metal clarinets, ones that actually say "Harry Pedler" apparently can be among the best according to authorties on the subject- pictures I recently saw definitely showed what was intended to be a pro-quality instrument.
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Author: markr
Date: 2009-01-26 15:14
well,.that helps,..kinda,..smirk,.I was actually a little curious as to what people had to say about it on this board,.and what kind of response I would get from strangers,.*chuckling,.
I recently posted a similar question in another board asking the same thing about my Fathers "King" trombone which I wont go into detail about except to say it is a beautiful piece ( sterling silver bell ect ) and most people on the board said the same thing,."eh,.probably not worth more than a couple hundred dollors" but,.after having it appraised it is found out to be worth as much as $3,000 or more,.hmm imAGINE that,.*grin,..
and,. the fact that my Father and all 9 of his siblings traveled all over the country as the "Rucker Family Minstrels" in the late 1920's (which I also have photographs of that are also worth a lot of money) and actually made $1,200 a week in 1928 ,not to mention worked with Tommy Dorsey,.Miller, and a few of the other greats ,.to become in the late 1930-and into the 40's the "Rucker Family Swing Band" leads me to believe that there's a few so called "experts" on this board that actually have no idea ..just sayin: )
soOoo,. with that said,..I'm quite sure that my Uncle didn't play a "cheap" machine throughout his professional career so after I get his clarinet appraised I'll come back and let you know what I found out,..k ? : )
thank you all for your "expertise" ,.: )
PS,.People,..have your vintage instruments appraised by a true life EXPERT,. and don't assume that what others say is fact,.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2009-01-26 15:22
markr wrote:
> soOoo,. with that said,..I'm quite sure that my Uncle didn't
> play a "cheap" machine throughout his professional career so
> after I get his clarinet appraised I'll come back and let you
> know what I found out,..k ? : )
If you get it appraised for a decent amount - ask the appraiser to buy it on the spot.
And, BTW, there's no reference on google to "Rucker Family Minstrels" - did they go by another name? I'm suprised that the photographs of an relatively unknown group (if indeed that's the name they used) would be worth a lot of money unless there were something else of significance about the photographs.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2009-01-26 15:59
To markr,
Dollar value of an instrument and craftsmanship quality are very 2 different things. I know that sounds illogical.
I have some well made vintage instruments that aren't worth even $100 to sell but they play very well. *In their day* they were top of the line, but today's market asks little $$$ for them. The name has a lot to do with it. A Buffet R13 with several pads missing and a slight crack in the bell will still fetch more than a Penzel-Mueller in great shape with a fresh overhaul job.
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Author: William Hughes ★2017
Date: 2009-01-26 16:13
Being from Indiana myself, I bought a metal Pedler "Hoosier" in quite decent shape from that auction site a few years ago for $75, as I recall.
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2009-01-26 16:53
Don't want to fall foul of the BB rules so not posted the web link for a sale (not an auction) of a nice looking wooden Pedlar. Basically I put the 2 words clarinet pedlar into google and halfway down the returned page there is a sale of a wooden Pedlar clarinet for $87 USD.
markr - you seem sceptical of the advice you found here. It is a bulletin board and not a valuation service. People offer their opinion freely and you can take it or leave it. Balance it with your own research.
The BB is, however, widely read. Many contributors have national and international reputations as repairers, players, collectors. They will not want to risk their reputation by deliberately undervaluing an item for some obscure reason.
If someone disagrees with the information you have received based on the information you have given, rest assured they will pitch in very quickly.
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Author: modernicus
Date: 2009-01-26 17:31
Now, if you had come in here talking about a King "Silver King", "Silver Sonic", or "Micro Sonic" metal clarinet with a sterling bell, in nice shape, with provenance connecting it to a known musical group, I don't believe anyone here would have said you didn't have something of value. I don't know anything about brass instruments, so I don't know why those people thought the King trombone wasn't valuable. Pedler Hoosier clarinets simply don't sell for much money, as mentioned, regardless of how good they might or might not be- this is just a fact.
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2009-01-26 17:49
For your trombone - look here
If in good condition I have little doubt your trombone is a valuable instrument.
If you are interested to see the clarinet equivalent, mine is below. It is worth $300 I would guess at most.
Chris
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-01-26 17:53
Hi markr - Chris J, Mark C, [and others] say it very well re: the way we respond to inquiries about our cl interests, posessions-collections and professions [for some of us] . Frequently we have found out that "trade names" are applied to many clarinets made as "stencils" and/or may be of "student" quality from a well-known mfgr. I have had acquaintance with several PedlErs [ an A is incorrect] sop Bb's of mediocre character BUT an Alto and a Bass of pro character, V G for their time period, so individual asessment of playability and rarity [the King tmb?] determines value to our traders here. Have I gone too far here, MC/GBK ?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: BobD
Date: 2009-01-27 05:27
"PS,.People,..have your vintage instruments appraised by a true life EXPERT,. and don't assume that what others say is fact,."
Now if only I knew what one of those was. Googling reveals a number of hits for people named Rucker involved in minstrel shows plus Darius Rucker of the more recent Hootie and the Blowfish group. The top line Pedler horns both wood and metal were well respected back in the 1920s by "swing" band players.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2009-01-27 07:05
This is apparently George Lewis playing his metal Pedler
Chris
Image from http://www.clarinette-metal.fr/galerie_de_photos.htm
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Author: modernicus
Date: 2009-01-27 16:19
That looks like a "Harry Pedler" that George Lewis played, and not a plain old "Pedler." I don't remember all the details, but as I understand it, things were very different after Harry Pedler was no longer running things.
Chris J- I'm not exactly up on which Silver Kings are worth the most- I've seen a large range of asking and auction ending prices from $200-$1000+ for nice playable instruments. I believe some did come apart- probably the most valuable?
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2009-02-01 19:03
Markr; Harry Pedler left the scene circa 1930 and his clarinet business was acquired by Martin. They marketed a number of different Pedler brands including the HOOSIER. Re the metal clarinets (alhough this wasn't your question) the ones made by Harry Pedler are generally quite highly regarded. Post 1930 not so much. I have a Harry Pedler wooden clarinet which I like a lot but it probably wouldn't fetch $100 (refurb and all) if I wanted to sell it - my advice is if your clarinet works for you keep it - won't take long to make > $100 with it.
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Author: Kontra
Date: 2011-01-22 04:19
Not meaning to revive an old thread, but I'm pretty curious as to what the OP has found out about his million dollar horn, or so he believes, from his "EXPERT."
Actually, I am pretty interested in the Pedler company's history. Are there any archives left over from the company?
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Author: Klarnetisto
Date: 2011-01-22 12:53
"Hoosier" was Pedler's name for one of their student models.
From the webpage http://www.clarinette-metal.fr/galerie_de_photos.htm (my translation):
Harry Pedler, an Englishman who immigrated to the United States, first worked with Conn, then founded his own company in 1916. He ran it until 1930, at which time it was bought by Martin. In 1936, the firm was renamed “The Pedler Company,” which developed the first American metal bass clarinets. The Pedler Company produced a large number of metal Bb clarinets of very average quality, intended for students. The rare professional models are to be found from the time of the “Harry Pedler Company.” [There's one for sale on a certain unmentionable website right now.]
George Lewis played his Albert system metal Pedler, and used it to record his “Burgundy Street Blues” – though he set aside this clarinet in 1944 for a wooden clarinet...
In addition to these professional models, Pedler sold several student models: “American,” “Hoosier”; and intermediate: “Premiere,” “Custombuilt,” and “400.”
Klarnetisto
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2011-01-22 15:34
I just recently worked on a customer's Pedler bass clarinet (a more recent one, standard range to written low-Eb); I believe his was the "Custom-Built" model. It was well-designed and nicely constructed and played pretty well too.
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