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 Sorcerer's Apprentice tonguing
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2008-03-26 02:21

I haven't heard this work mentioned in threads about rapid tonguing passages. Josh Gibson's book of technical excerpts (Advanced Clarinet Technique) puts the dotted quarter at 116 bpm, which seems pretty fast to be tackling the several consecutive bars of tongued sextolets that occurs in a couple places.

I was just getting smug about nearing posted speeds on several other oft mentioned tonguing challenges, but this seems another notch up. How do you speed demons here handle this one?

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 Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice tonguing
Author: klarinetkid 
Date:   2008-03-26 17:09

If you're referring to the ending, I always just slur it and let the flutes take care of double tounging it- my conductor always takes it way too fast to even consider playing it articulated.

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 Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice tonguing
Author: rc_clarinetlady 
Date:   2008-03-26 17:14

Agreed. The professor sitting next to me and I slurred it and let the flutes double tongue it. It worked. Our conductor took it so fast that it went by faster than we could possible tongue it.



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 Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice tonguing
Author: RLSchwebel 
Date:   2008-03-26 17:20

At Warp 9, nobody is ever going to know the difference! Enjoy the slur and let the flutes sweat it out!

~robt

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 Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice tonguing
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-03-26 17:25

I tongue it with side to side tonguing and its easy. Is fun racing the flutes.

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 Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice tonguing
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2008-03-27 05:12

All these tonguing options . . . Whether to investigate side-to-side, or continue practicing double-tonguing, or just try to improve standard single tonguing to that speed . . .

One trouble I'm having with single-tonguing is that my best speeds are only there if I practice just that aspect, every day, for a considerable chunk of my limited practice time. If I miss a single day, it seems to take several more to get it back.

It's frustrating to focus on other areas for a week, and then come back to tonguing and need a week before it "wakes up" again. The "easy" base speed seems to be gradually creeping up, but there's another mode, one apparently involving adrenaline, that seems available to me only when it's exercised all the time.

And then there's making the speed sound good. I love the way good players like Ricardo or Sabine or, formerly, Harold Wright, whip out high speed tongued passages with every note sounding fat and gorgeous.

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 Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice tonguing
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-03-27 12:09

Wright was known for having a slow tongue.

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 Re: Sorcerer's Apprentice tonguing
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2008-03-27 22:29

David,

I'd never heard about Wright's being known as having a slow tongue. Interesting. But though I've admittedly never heard him in anything terribly fast, what prompted my inclusion of him where I did was a very recent listening to the Doremi live recording of Wright and the Julliard Quartet performing the Mozart quintet. That recording captures Wright's beautiful sound in spades, and I was struck in particular by how beautiful his occasional staccato passage work was. It wasn't warp speed by any means, but each quick, in-tune note seemed so generously endowed with tonal bloom that I doubt if I've ever heard anything like it. The awareness of that possibility has me changing my approach a bit.

I wonder if in general Wright chose to trade off some points of speed for quality of sound?

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