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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-03-23 14:14
I found out that the Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra members get paid (told to me by a former member of it).
Are other countries paying their Youth Orchestra members (the top level one)?
Cool concept - the Orchestra takes a huge amount of time as they are together daily for a few hours. It isn't a once a week kind of venture.
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Author: Lynn
Date: 2008-03-23 15:48
David,
As well as they play they SHOULD be paid! Wouldn't it be interesting to equate that kind of support for high-quality student musicians in the U.S.?
Lynn
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Author: jcfasanar
Date: 2008-03-23 15:55
I have been and played in the Spanish national youth orchestra, and i was invited to play in the Jeunesses Wolrld Orchestra.
None of them are paying to its members. Only some diets in determinated situations.
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Author: Ryan25
Date: 2008-03-23 16:03
Lynn said:
"As well as they play they SHOULD be paid! Wouldn't it be interesting to equate that kind of support for high-quality student musicians in the U.S.?"
Try the New World Symphony and the Civic Orchestra of Chicago which both pay it's members. Obviously these groups are college age musicians only but it's my understanding that not everyone in the Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra is a high school student( I could be wrong about that). All three of these groups are making music more or less at the same level in my opinion.
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Author: elmo lewis
Date: 2008-03-23 16:34
In Latin American countries people are considered to be "youths" well into their thirties. The local "youth" orchestra here has an age cut-off of 29 which is not always observed. They are paid better than public school teachers.
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Author: srattle
Date: 2008-03-23 21:27
I know there are people as young as 16 in the orchestra, and probably younger.
One of the clarinetists is 16, nice guy
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Author: Danny Boy
Date: 2008-03-23 21:38
National Youth Orchestra in the UK ends at 18 and isn't paid, it's not really a valid comparison.
Britten-Pears isn't paid and neither is EUYO as far as I'm aware, anyone know about Lucerne and Verbier?
There are plenty of groups here for those around the age of 23 that are paid though. For example...
Aurora Orchestra
Cheltenham Academy Players
Young Professionals Orchestra (Peter? I assume you get paid) [edit - sorry, New Professionals Orchestra]
Post Edited (2008-03-23 21:42)
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Author: fantasmacantos
Date: 2008-03-24 17:40
In Mexico are some youth orchestras that get paid, mostly of them by the federal or state gouverments. I play in the UNAM (National University) School of Music orchestra and we are paid. Some of those orchestras (Estado de Mexico youth and Carlos Chavez Orchestra, for example) get paid better than some "professional", actually.
Ivan
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2009-10-04 23:35
I'm going to resurrect this thread because I'm watching a televised concert by the Simon Bolivar Group. Out of curiosity I went to their website and it salys that the members of the best groups get paid so that their families can afford to let them participate in the groups (which are an outgrowth of the Music Ed system there).
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Author: srattle
Date: 2009-10-05 00:14
You have to understand that the situation for these kids is very different from what most people equate with 'youth orchestras'
It is not considered a musical project there, but a social one. The idea, what what I've learned, is that for a lot of the people, the orchestra, and music in general, is a saving grace. Some of the members of the orchestra come from shanty towns, or are used to not knowing when their next meal will come from. Some of them are ex-convicts (already at age 16). It is often to save people's lives, and part of the draw for these people is playing music is a way to make some money and eat, where as they might not have that luxury amy other way.
A very different thing from most youth orchestras in the states.
Also, the orchestra is basically a full time orchestra. Often they do actually a lot more rehearsals than professional orchestras.
When I was playing there, we were rehearsing 5-6 hours a day, and they had other rehearsals in between. Some of these people are spending upwards of 9 hours a day, and 4 or 5 concerts a week (often different programs) on the orchestra, so it really makes sense that they are paid.
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Author: Ryan K
Date: 2009-10-05 01:43
Reading this makes me wish I lived in Europe a bit. Seems that Classical Music is still thriving there.
Ryan Karr
Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2009-10-05 02:03
Ryan,
FYI the Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra is in Venezuela in South America. What we have here in the US does indeed pale by comparison, and I'm assuming European music ed programs are also ahead of ours.
This hopefully won't hijack the thread, but Classical Music _is_ thriving in Europe. My violinist friend who travels there frequently is always amazed by the level of talent found in street buskers who play classical, pop, jazz, and folk equally well.
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2009-10-05 05:00
The orchestra I played with this summer, Orchestre de la francophonie canadienne, is "paid" through bursaries depending on how many contracts you do with the orchestra for the summer. We were also lucky enough to get our expenses paid for travel and living in both of our resident cities.
Another orchestra that pays young musicians during the summer here in Canada is the National Academy Orchestra, which is part of the Brott Music Festival in Ontario. They get quite larger cheques than we did at OFC, but they have to pay their own bills in Hamilton, from what I understand.
National Youth Orchestra of Canada is free and awards select musicians bursaries at the end of the programme.
Bradley
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Author: asabene
Date: 2009-10-08 05:27
Some American youth symphonies pay their players too... I know the New York Youth Symphony gives their principal players a couple hundred bucks and increase it every year that they return.
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