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 Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Neal Raskin 
Date:   2007-09-19 02:21

Has anyone heard of the Principal Clarinet position for the CSO being open? I recently saw it on this audition website: http://www.musicalchairs.info/Orch%20Jobs%20US%20English.htm

On the CSO's official website, there is no vacancy posted. So I am not sure, but if there is an opening... well, trim your reeds boys cause there's gonna be a ton of competition for a spot like that!!!!

So has anyone heard anything different? Maybe I am just out of the loop. ;-)

Neal

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: grifffinity 
Date:   2007-09-19 02:36

It is also listed on MyAuditions two weeks ago (before it was posted on MusicalChairs).

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Iacuras 
Date:   2007-09-19 02:39

It certainly is open. Larry Combs is retiring after over 30 years with the CSO. He will retire at the end of the season.

Steve
"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."
"If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly."

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2007-09-19 03:12

I'm a shoo-in. The rest of youse guys might as well stay home.


HA!

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2007-09-19 03:33

David Spiegelthal wrote:

> I'm a shoo-in. The rest of youse guys might as well stay home.



And the equipment line up for the CSO clarinet section will then read:

Yamaha ...... Buffet .....and ..............


Couesnon Monopole [whoa]


...GBK



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2007-09-19 12:05

Will be interesting to see who gets it. I wonder if Anthony McGill and Richey Hawley will be taking that audition? Or my personal favorite Michael Rusinek.

Chicago and New York open in the same year - geez!!

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http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: William 
Date:   2007-09-19 14:50

It can get awfully cold waling to Orchestra Hall during the winter in Chicago, Anyone thinking of auditioning might be forewarned--if you get the job, BRING SERIOUS WINTER GEAR. That is why Mitchell Laurie left the CSO which--via audition, of course--opened the chair for Larry Combs. He told me that "maybe if I had stayed, Larry would never had gotten the chance."

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Aaron 
Date:   2007-09-19 15:02

My vote is for Morales, unless he's considered too old.







Aaron M

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: vin 
Date:   2007-09-19 15:10

A quick correction- Mitchell Lurie's departure from Chicago did not open the chair for Larry Combs. Clark Brody was prinicpal in Chicago throughout the 60s and 70s and Combs did not become principal until 1978.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: William 
Date:   2007-09-19 16:02

I stand corrected!! However--& FWIW, Michelle did specifically mention Combs as I reported.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2007-09-19 17:23

Aaron, Morales already has a great position. I doubt he is interested leaving Phila and NYC. (Juilliard)

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2007-09-19 19:29

I agree with David,
I don't see Ricardo leaving Philly. Along with the names David already mentioned, a couple more that would not be a shock are:

Todd Levy
John Yeh
Greg Raden

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Fontalvo 
Date:   2007-09-19 19:57

Mark Nuccio, and the guy that just got principal in St.Louis also might seem like good choices.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2007-09-19 20:57

I doubt Mark would leave New York when he may very well be in line for the principal position there. It's kind of a shame that this poisition is opening and being auditioned for when the CSO does not even have a conductor at the moment. Haitink is here for a couple of 3 week stints with the orchestra and the rest of the season is guest conductor after guest conductor starting off with Ricardo Mutti who last worked with the CSO in the late 70's.

There's a lot going on recently to say the least with a recent new Principal Flutist (who is fantastic) and oboist, and now looking for a new Director and Principal Clarinetist in the same year. It's deffinetly a time of change and renewal in Chicago.

It's also a shame to see Larry Combs retire......what an icon and fabulous musician.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2007-09-19 21:43

Ted Oien in Detroit would be my choice. I've been amazed every time I've heard him. I wonder if he would want it.

Ken Shaw

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: pabstboy 
Date:   2007-09-19 22:15

I agree. He is a great player. Beautiful sound.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: grifffinity 
Date:   2007-09-19 22:20

How about Scott Andrews? I know he just relocated his family to St. Louis from Boston, but I don't think he'd pass up the audition.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Mark Charette 2017
Date:   2007-09-19 22:52

Ken Shaw wrote:

> I wonder if he would want it.

I certainly hope not. Not only is he a wonderful musician, he's a good teacher and both he and his wife genuinely nice people.

Mark C., Detroit.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2007-09-20 13:41

Speaking of Raden - here's a good article from yesterday about is Concertmistress (Houston) fiance

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/arts/classicalmusic/5149426.html

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2007-09-20 15:46

For the Chicago Symphony they can certainly have the right to consider a replacement in house first and then audition someone else to fill in the vancant seat.

David Dow

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2007-09-20 16:00

I agree with David,

There are a lot of really great young players in principal positions all over the country but I doubt most of them are "better" or more qualified than John Yeh or Greg Smith. Both of these guys are in their prime and have been in this orchestra for over 20 years. It will be real interesting to see how it all shakes out. John Yeh did a fantastic job as Principal last fall when L. Combs was on sebatical and the same goes for Greg Smith as Assistant/E-flat. If a new principal is not found outside of the orchestra, these two could very well move up creating a need for a new second.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2007-09-20 17:43

How many instances of that do you know of? I'm thinking it's more of an exception than a rule.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2007-09-20 18:43

David,
I agree it does not happen often but it does happen. Some instances I can think of are:

David Breeden started out as second clarinet in San Francisco before moving to Principal. John Yeh started out as Bass in CSO before moving to Assistant Principal, Larry Combs did not enter CSO as principal but moved up to that position after a few years. A very few instances for sure but it has happened before.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2007-09-20 18:58

That's really good that Combs did it in Chicago - that means that the Orchestra is open to that.


Sometimes they aren't!

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 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: crnichols 
Date:   2007-09-20 19:49

I'd expect Scott Andrews from Saint Louis Symphony will be at that audition...and a finalist.

Christopher Nichols, D.M.A.
Assistant Professor of Clarinet
University of Delaware

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2007-09-20 19:59

Scott and I started with the same Teacher - Eddie Kanakal in VA Beach, VA.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2007-09-20 21:56

I've recently spoken to someone in the CSO and he has confirmed both Larry Combs' retirement and the posted dates for the preliminary auditions and the finals in January of 2008.

Auditions will follow normal symphony protocol with the preliminary auditions being held behind a screen. Current CSO clarinetists do not have to go through the preliminary rounds.

The final auditions, which current CSO incumbent clarinetists already have qualified for if they wish, will be in front of the 10 member elected audition committee and Pierre Boulez. The music director is also allowed to invite up to 4 clarinetists of his choice from the USA or abroad.

Any finalist(s) must receive at least 6 of 10 affirmative votes from the committee with the music director making the final choice if there is more than one qualified...GBK

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Fontalvo 
Date:   2007-09-21 00:32

I don't know if this is true. But I heard that according to the rules of the CSO only four people can advance or be in the finals. Is this true???

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Kevin 
Date:   2007-09-21 03:35

I love how we are all throwing names out there as if this were an offseason rumor mill.

There are two forums on the internet that I regularly read: this one, and one that covers the NY Mets baseball team. The similarities can get striking between the two!

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Kevin 
Date:   2007-09-21 03:40

Sources speculate that Chicago is possibly planning a trade with NY involving John Yeh and future considerations in exchange for Pascual Forteza and cash. In related news, NY called up top Eb prospect Anthony Stadler from AAA Juilliard. To make room for the roster move, NY transfered Bass Stephen Freeman from the 15-day to the 60-day DL, as the team does not anticipate using him until their Bruckner series two months from tomorrow.



Post Edited (2007-09-21 03:46)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: ozlock 
Date:   2008-01-16 00:55

Mitchell Lurie was principal with the CSO 1949-1950. Clark Brody followed him. Combs followed Brody in 1978.

My guess is that such an important position would not be filled until there is a new music director.

Thanks to global warming, Chicago is not so frightening these days. We are shopping for palm trees.

Hank

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: ozlock 
Date:   2008-01-16 01:05

It certainly happened with the succession of Lurie to Brody to Combs. And that covers about 50 years.

And I correct myself--there was another one year interregnum between Lurie and Brody.

Hank

Post Edited (2008-01-16 01:09)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-16 01:24

2008-01-16 01:05

???

It's 01-15 still.

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http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2008-01-16 01:46

DavidBlumberg wrote:

> 2008-01-16 01:05
>
> ???
>
> It's 01-15 still.




[ The bulletin board time is reported as UTC (also known as GMT, Z, or Zulu). Every time zone is relative to UTC... - GBK ]

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2008-01-16 02:39

Just curious what is the potential for a female replacement in the Chicago orchestra? With a major orchestra audition is the percentage of females auditioning very low...say 20%.?

Freelance woodwind performer

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-16 04:27

I'd wonder what the % would be even in the semi-finals. I can't think of any female players who are "in line" currently to get a major job like that. All of the players who are in my "guess who could get it list" are male.

It of course could happen, but would surprise me.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Bradley 
Date:   2008-01-16 06:03

Jeanette Jonquil and Andrea Levine have been very successful recently...

Bradley

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: BobD 
Date:   2008-01-16 11:48

Good reporting Kevin....but then there's the steroid issue, you know.
Sorry Dave S. but I live closer.....
What's Pierre Boulez got to do with it.....or did Chicago finally end the procrastination....

Bob Draznik

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: LarryBocaner 2017
Date:   2008-01-16 12:51

Just to set the record straight: Mitchell Lurie was succeeded by Iggy Gennusa as principal clarinet in the CSO; Clark Brody to follow. Interestingly, Lurie's predecessor was Robert Lindemann, who came to America recruited by Gustav Mahler!



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-16 13:56

There are players who are in major jobs already whom I'd figure will get it.
Guys like Russinek, Martin, McGill among others if any of those are even auditioning.

It's anyone's guess but we will know soon enough, and it certainly will open up other spots.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-16 14:01

Lurie, Gennusa and Gigliotti were all at Curtis at the same time.

Anyone know who the 4th one was? (assuming that there were 4 and not 5. Tony told me way back, but I don't remember, possibly ended up not getting a gig?

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: jwiseman114 
Date:   2008-01-16 14:36

I don't see Ricardo going to the CSO but does anybody see him going to the New York Phil? It seems possible.

I do really see John Bruce Yeh as principle. I just think this is a special case in which the associate is possibly the most qualified for the job. He is truely a great player.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: LarryBocaner 2017
Date:   2008-01-16 15:08

David, according to Carole Kycia's excellent Bonade biography, a James King graduated from Curtis in 1941 as a student of Bonade's. That would identify him as a classmate of Gigliotti, Gennusa and Lurie.

Does anybody know anything about him?



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Mark Charette 2017
Date:   2008-01-16 15:12

See http://musicsack.com/PersonFMTDetail.cfm?PersonPK=100024229

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: LarryBocaner 2017
Date:   2008-01-16 15:35

Good grief, I had no idea that was the same James King! He most certainly "got a gig."

Maybe we should start a whole new thread about woodwind players who went on to fabulous singing careers.



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-16 15:57

Could certainly see Yeh as Principal.

Would love to see a betting site with odds on the "contenders".......

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2008-01-16 16:08

What a great position. To work everyday with Izotov, Mcgill, and Dufor would be like going to work in Heaven. Dufor is ridiculous. And to sit next to Mcgill would be unreal.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: William 
Date:   2008-01-16 21:01

John Bruce Yeh is an amazing clarinetist and would play the Principal chair quite well, however, I heard that the CSO has told everyone that they are looking for an outsider--someone younger.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2008-01-16 21:43

William wrote:

>I heard that the CSO has
> told everyone that they are looking for an outsider--someone
> younger.


Source??

I wonder if Greg Smith and John Bruce Yeh (both whom are auditioning) know of this (unsubstantiated?) CSO information? ...GBK

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-16 22:26

Both Smith and Yeh could easily get it - should be interesting!

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Sarah Elbaz 
Date:   2008-01-17 05:59

Mitchell Lurie was a pilot in WW2 . After the war he got a telegram from Chicago Symphony , inviting him to play in the orchestra- he didn't have to do an audition....
Sarah

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-17 13:04

Back then that was common. An Orchestra would call Bonade and ask him "who's your best student"

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 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: BobD 
Date:   2008-01-17 13:42

I have not been impressed with "the CSO's" decision making ability of late....the Ricardo Muti gig being an exception

Bob Draznik

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DrH2O 
Date:   2008-01-17 18:15

What ever happened with the Boston Symphony Orchestra auditions? Weren't they scheduled for sometime this past fall?

Anne
Clarinet addict


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2008-01-17 18:42

"What ever happened with the Boston Symphony Orchestra auditions? Weren't they scheduled for sometime this past fall?"

Michael Wayne (principal in Kansas City) won the Boston audition I believe.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: grifffinity 
Date:   2008-01-17 19:36

Quote:

Michael Wayne (principal in Kansas City) won the Boston audition I believe.


Yes, this is confirmed info.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2008-01-17 19:37

Yikes

David Dow

Post Edited (2008-01-17 19:39)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2008-01-17 19:40

"Yikes"


??????

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DrH2O 
Date:   2008-01-18 16:08

Didn't he win the Kansas City audition? If so, do they re-audition or go to the next contender or with an "acting" for awhile? These openings really seem to create quite a chain reaction.

Anne
Clarinet addict


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: rob v. 
Date:   2008-01-18 16:17

Don't mean to sound like the novice. But where do they post Orchestra auditions?

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2008-01-18 16:38

"Didn't he win the Kansas City audition? If so, do they re-audition or go to the next contender or with an "acting" for awhile? These openings really seem to create quite a chain reaction."

Most of time, the assistant will be the acting for a year or more or they bring in someone to fill a position. No one is going to give up their gig until they get past the 1 or 2 year trial period at the new gig. I believe the same is happening right now with Janette J. in Cincinnati. She was the principal in Vancouver and Cary Bell who was the San Franciso Opera principal but won the San Franciso Symphony Audition.

It does create a kind of chain reaction.

Rob V. wrote:

"Don't mean to sound like the novice. But where do they post Orchestra auditions?"

Auditions are announced in the International Musician which is the Music Union's monthly newsletter. You can also find audition listings on Musicalchairs.info (which is free but not always up to date) or myauditions.com which i think has a fee.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Clarinet 
Date:   2008-01-18 19:35

They don't call it musical chairs for nothing....

Jeanette Jonquil actually wasn't offered the position in Cincinnati. Jonathan Gunn, who was acting associate, got the job.

Rob V, also, if you're a facebook user, there's a group called "Clarinet Jobs" which has great information and is very up to date.



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DrH2O 
Date:   2008-01-18 21:27

"Most of time, the assistant will be the acting for a year or more or they bring in someone to fill a position. No one is going to give up their gig until they get past the 1 or 2 year trial period at the new gig. "

But if Michael Wayne just won the Kansas City job within the last 12 months he doesn't have tenure there yet, right? So will they hold the spot for him if he wants to go to Boston, or does he have to choose between the 2?

Anne
Clarinet addict


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Gregory Williams 
Date:   2008-01-18 21:53

Anne,

Michael Wayne was given tenure as Principal Clarinet of the Kansas City Symphony in December...after winning the Boston Symphony audition. Mr. Wayne won the Principal Clarinet position in Kansas City in June of 2007 and having acted as principal for the 2006-2007 season prior to my resignation there in March of 2007. He was given credit for his season as acting principal for the purposes of tenure this year and has been a member of the KC Symphony since September of 2003.

There will be 2 auditions for clarinet in KC this season.

2nd/Eb/ And Associate Principal Clarinet for the position vacated by Mr. Wayne upon being tenured as Principal Clarinet in December. Mr. Wayne was the 2nd and Eb Clarinetist in KC from Sept 2003 until September 2006. Alucia Scalzo is now playing in the role of Acting Associate Principal, Second, and Eb Clarinet. You may notice that the second clarinet position now carries the title of Associate Principal Clarinet.

Principal Clarinet - 1 year possibly permanent - in case Mr. Wayne does not return to the Principal Chair in Kansas City.


Hope this helps clarify any confusion on the subject.


Gregory Williams

Former Principal Clarinet
Former 2nd and Eb Clarinet
Kansas City Symphony

Associate Principal Clarinet



Post Edited (2008-01-18 21:57)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Chris22311 
Date:   2008-01-20 03:36

Any word from the Prelims?

I know that Richie Hawley and Anthony Mcgill chose not to go.

Chris

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2008-01-20 17:33

In Canada there is a fabulous clarinetist just as good as the retiring guys. He lives in Newchic, Ontario. I believe his name is Larry Drucker. He's heads above all the other contenders.

Freelance woodwind performer

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-20 21:28

Wondering if Russinek tried out. He's who I would put my money on if not Yeh or Smith who I'd put as the top contenders.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: richard s 
Date:   2008-01-20 22:35

I have no idea if he is trying out or not, but my vote would be for Todd Levy. It is worth a trip to the Milwaukee Symphony to hear his incredible sound and musicianship.



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: J. J. 
Date:   2008-01-21 04:20

As is typical with the Chicago woodwind vacancies, they have invited some candidates to play with them outside of an audition process. Though I've not heard anything from the audition proper, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't take anyone from the preliminary rounds for consideration. If so, I believe the finals are still to be held, and it would surprise me even more if anyone emerged from that still in the running.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2008-01-21 21:21

J. J. wrote:

> As is typical with the Chicago woodwind vacancies, they have
> invited some candidates to play with them outside of an
> audition process. Though I've not heard anything from the
> audition proper, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't take
> anyone from the preliminary rounds for consideration. If so, I
> believe the finals are still to be held, and it would surprise
> me even more if anyone emerged from that still in the running.


This simply is not factually true and these kinds of rumors are worthy of stopping.

With this vacancy and any other vacancy in the CSO, this would go completely against the existing contract.

All auditions with the CSO have fallen within the procedures and guidelines of their collective bargaining agreement, the present audition being no exception. Everyone goes through the legally agreed to audition procedure. No one has and no one is ever “outside” of the agreed to process.

The above information was supplied by a confidential source associated with the CSO.

...GBK

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Morrie Backun 
Date:   2008-01-21 21:47

Hello,

I am aware of certain players having been invited directly to the finals (both inside and outside the CSO)

It is quite common for high profile orchestras to invite players that they are particularly interested in hearing directly to the finals.

Morrie Backun

Morrie Backun
Backun Musical Services
604-205-5770
morrie@backunmusical.com

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: grifffinity 
Date:   2008-01-21 22:14

Quote:

I am aware of certain players having been invited directly to the finals


It is quite common for existing players within an orchestra and regulars on the sub list to by-pass early rounds of an audition. This situation has happened at the last 3 BSO clarinet auditions.

I can't not speak for Chicago, but this is certainly the case in Boston.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2008-01-21 22:16

What is a confidential source? This is more mysterious than a rumour and is no more more valid.

Freelance woodwind performer

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2008-01-21 22:19

It was already stated on this board that Boulez/CSO can invite 3 people to the finals. John Yeh and Greg Smith are both advanced to the finals because of their poistions in the orchestra already. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-21 22:20

What is a confidential source?
------------------------

That's a source that you aren't going to hear the name of. They can certainly be valid and the only way to truly know is hindsight.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2008-01-21 22:43

Why wouldn't someone devulge a source? I can say I have ten sources that say the opposite. Unless the source is devulged then it is unsupported.

Freelance woodwind performer

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2008-01-21 22:51

Arnoldstang wrote:

> What is a confidential source?

An employee of the CSO, who wrote me directly and who does not want his/her name posted.

...GBK

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2008-01-21 23:11

GBK, I understand but if this information is factual why wouldn't someone put their name to it? This seems reasonable to me. It only suggests there is not such a set policy as stated.

Freelance woodwind performer

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2008-01-21 23:25

I will only again reiterate that the statement by J.J. :

Quote:

"As is typical with the Chicago woodwind vacancies, they have invited some candidates to play with them outside of an audition process."



is not factually true...GBK



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: J. J. 
Date:   2008-01-21 23:29

Thank you, Morrie.

As far as whether or not this is a "rumor worthy of stopping," why don't we just wait and see how it plays out in the next 6 months?

Not only am I confident in the end result, but I don't believe it to be a credible argument to reference another confidential source in declaring mine "not factually true." Note that in my original post I did say "outside the audition process," but I also noted they would be invited to play with the group. I don't know the CSO C.B.A., so I can't say whether or not guest principal playing constitutes part of their current guidelines for an "audition."

Either way, a reasonable objection referencing their audition procedure would go much farther than an anonymous source who would only be affirming the integrity of their ensemble.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Chris22311 
Date:   2008-01-21 23:36

From what I know, the 4 clarinetist invited to the Finals for Chicago are:

1. Mike Rusinek
2. Ricardo Morales
3. Alessandro Carbonare
4. Mark Nuccio

Chris

Post Edited (2008-01-21 23:42)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: vin 
Date:   2008-01-22 01:00

I would pay a lot of money to hear the final round.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: bcl1dso 
Date:   2008-01-22 01:57

I would give anything to hear the final round!

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Sylvain 
Date:   2008-01-22 02:44

I feel like I am watching E! for clarinet junkies. Amazingly fun. How about we just wait and see who gets the job?
One year from now that will be all we remember and care about.

And personally, I am not too concerned about the who is there and how the audition is done, as long as it is a fair process. In the end, whoever gets the job will be fantastic to listen to.

--
Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>

Post Edited (2008-01-22 02:46)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2008-01-22 03:00

J.J. wrote:

> I don't know the CSO C.B.A., so I can't say whether or not
> guest principal playing constitutes part of their current
> guidelines for an "audition."



** Any form of “guest principal playing” does NOT constitute any part of the CSO’s Collective Bargaining Agreement. Also, nothing different will happen 6 months down the road that doesn’t adhere to the CSO’s C.B.A.


The audition procedure is as follows: 1) Prelims, 2) Semi-finals (if needed), and 3) Finals. All rounds are screened to their conclusion and everyone is invited to participate – no exclusions. Additionally, in the case of principal vacancies, there is a provision for up to 4 “pre-finalists”, otherwise known as invitees, to be pre-selected amongst all applicants by the Music Director Emeritus (Pierre Boulez) who are invited to a “pre-final” round consisting of the audition committee and the Music Director. Those 4 pre-finalists are heard without screens immediately prior to the final round.


If any one of the 4 pre-finalists receive a majority vote from the 9 member audition committee plus the Music Director (at least 6 affirmative votes), they are then invited to proceed to the screened final round, joining the rest of the remaining successful auditionees. The “pre-final” invitees process is standard for many orchestras wanting to attract highly qualified candidates who would not otherwise subject themselves to the full audition process. This is done ostensibly to avoid the candidate’s embarrassment of not having passed preliminary rounds.


The Music Director may then select from those finalists who receive a majority vote from the audition committee. The Music director has the option of also hearing the candidate(s) play with the orchestra in order to make his final determination as to who should be engaged.


**The above information is from a current CSO employee who, respectfully, does not want his/her name posted at this time.


...GBK



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: kev182 
Date:   2008-01-22 03:23

Yeah... My teacher is in Chicago auditioning now!



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: cpark 
Date:   2008-01-22 03:28

quote from Morrie Backun:

"I am aware of certain players having been invited directly to the finals (both inside and outside the CSO)"

WHO could he be talking about?!!!!!!! Who in the world?! wink* wink*

maybe.......Ricardo?

I'm calling it right now, Ricardo wins CSO and then NYP.

-Chris

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: J. J. 
Date:   2008-01-22 03:46

What a comforting audition process. I wonder, then, if it matters that a confidential source has heard that not all finalists are playing their "screened final round" on the same published final round date? On Jan. 28, the Pittsburgh Symphony (and Michael Rusinek) will be touring in Europe. It's on their schedule. That might make it a little hard to play that pre-final round "immediately prior to the final round."

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: GBK 
Date:   2008-01-22 04:43

J. J. wrote:

> not all finalists are playing their "screened final round"
> on the same published final round date


Again, there is an exception in the process provided for in the CSO’s CBA about audition procedures regarding these matters. It’s the same kind of situation with nearly every orchestra. One would have to know the entire CBA of the CSO to ask relevant questions about how exceptions are handled. It is simply not possible to go over every possible procedural exception and how they are dealt with according to contractual guidelines. Suffice to say that the audition process is as fairly conducted as is possible for everyone who is auditioning.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-22 12:34

I haven't asked Ricardo about the CSO, but I highly doubt that he is auditioning for it - would put money on that.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-22 12:41

Chris22311 - I doubt that list.

I don't see Carbonare being there, and I doubt Ricardo is auditioning for it.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Chris22311 
Date:   2008-01-22 14:41

My sources are reliable and I am pretty confident that these invitations were sent out. Can you confirm that I am incorrect David?

Chris

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: D Dow 
Date:   2008-01-22 15:28

Absolutely none of the info on this post is verifiable..audition lists are not given out prior to or after any audition by any ensemble I know of.

David Dow

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Clarinet 
Date:   2008-01-22 15:34

Chris22311's list of 4 from above is correct- those 4 were at least invited. Whether or not Ricardo is actually auditioning is the question.



 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-22 15:52

I can't say if Ricardo isn't auditioning or not, but I suspect that he isn't given what I know about his homelife currently.


Personally I don't see Carbonare winning it even if he was invited.

We shall see quite soon!! (and chris, not calling you a liar at all, just doubtfull of the list).

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http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: J. J. 
Date:   2008-01-22 16:06

It's correct.

Also, and I fully admit this is conjecture, do you really doubt that Ricardo would miss the opportunity to gain leverage for some type of pay raise?

Alessandro Carbonare winning would pretty much make my world, for what it's worth.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Chris22311 
Date:   2008-01-22 16:30

Chicago is a better orchestra in my opinion as of now. Why wouldn't Ricardo take the audition? He's on fire!

As for the other finalist. They all have an incredible reputation and I would not be dissapointed to see any of them "win" the job. I personally would like to see Mike Rusinek at principal. He should have won Philly a long time ago and is well deserving of a major orchestra principal job.

While the finalist invitation list is not official D. Dow, there are plenty of Major Orchestra musicians who are well aware of what is going on behind the scenes. Just to let you know.

Chris

Post Edited (2008-01-22 16:36)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: rob v. 
Date:   2008-01-22 16:49

Don’t mean to sound like the novice.

What are the chances that a nobody from anywhere can audition and make it?

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: J. J. 
Date:   2008-01-22 17:24

Zero

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2008-01-22 17:29

rob v. -

The chances of a nobody getting the Chicago job are approximately zero. The days are gone when Bonade could get a call from Cleveland and send Robert Marcellus along. No matter how good you are, no major symphony will take a player without prior experience in at least a mid-sized orchestra.

Ricardo always played better than anybody, but he had to serve a substantial apprenticeship in the Met. Even Drucker had to have a couple of years of seasoning before he came to New York, Larry Combs had several years of seasoning, and even Harold Wright, whom everybody knew would get the next big job that opened up, needed to be in the National Symphony for several years before he was considered "ready."

Ken Shaw

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-22 17:31

I'm doubting that Ricardo is taking it because I know him. Nothing to do with the Orchestra (which is my personal favorite) everything to do with homelife.

We shall see

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2008-01-22 17:57

Post Edited (2008-01-22 17:58)

David,
There is another opening in the CSO.

Makes you wonder.



Post Edited (2008-01-22 18:10)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-22 18:53

Saw the original posting ryan - yup, could be.......

Though he just last year moved to another place. Would he want to have to sell 2 years in a row with the prices like they currently are? Would be a major hit $$ wise as it's a really, really nice place. Also, he took a major car trip a couple of weeks ago - wouldn't he fly if he were preparing for that audition?

I know I would.

Anythings possible though....... Playing wise I'd figure that he will at this point get whatever he wants to have. And it would mean leaving Juilliard too so again I have my doubts. Maybe NYPO, but not Chicago in my (limited) opinion.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ryan25 
Date:   2008-01-22 19:49

Phiily is really awesome right now, I can't imagine leaving a position like that even if it is for Chicago. How great it must be to be at his level and even get to consider something like this!

I second your opinion about Carbonare.



Post Edited (2008-01-22 20:04)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Alseg 
Date:   2008-01-22 20:26

Such yentas.
102 posts on this subject. Wowsers.


Imagine my disappoitment when the topic was not featured on the cover of The Tattler or The Star in the check out line at the grocery.
Then again, there is always Brittney to fill the void.


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 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: JJAlbrecht 
Date:   2008-01-22 21:42

"Then again, there is always Brittney to fill the void."

I thought she WAS the void! [rotate]

Jeff

“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010

"A drummer is a musician's best friend."


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: EuGeneSee 
Date:   2008-01-22 22:28

Golly, even if a nobody from somewhere could audition for a principal slot at the CSO without having first served an "apprenticeship", it would seem almost impossible for anyone anywhere to ever have gotten that accomplished without anyone knowing about such a "new and rapidly rising star" Eu

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Chris22311 
Date:   2008-01-22 22:49

I agree with Eugene. Anyone that is good enough to win a job like that would most likely have prior success.

Chris

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: BobD 
Date:   2008-01-23 13:07

Philly does have some advantages over Chicago.....the shore, the traffic, the seafood, a conductor.

Bob Draznik

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Alseg 
Date:   2008-01-23 13:43

BobD said "Philly does have some advantages over Chicago.....the shore, the traffic, the seafood, a conductor."

....and soft pretzels and cheesesteaks.
Of course, now youse guyz can't see Billy Penn's hat.

allan, having been stuck coming from "down the shore" trying to cross the "double nickle" bridge many times as a kid.


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 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2008-01-23 17:15

"a conductor" ?

It was my impression that Philly recently defenestrated Eschenbach.

Ken Shaw

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Alseg 
Date:   2008-01-23 17:32

defenestrated ??

Fenestrated, yes. As in....hit the road, Christoph, and dontja look back no mo'
Dont let the door hit ya in the arse on yer way out.
Yep


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 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: crnichols 
Date:   2008-01-23 17:33

That wouldn't surprise me. I'd heard the Philadelphia Orchestra wasn't thrilled with him. I must say that I find his performances fresh and exciting, however sloppy. His conducting is far from clear...and the ensemble usually suffers.

Christopher Nichols, D.M.A.
Assistant Professor of Clarinet
University of Delaware

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: William 
Date:   2008-01-23 17:54

Just a late morning though (tongue in cheek) the CSO personell manager could mercifly end this thread by promoting Bruce-Yeh to Principal (which he deserves) and discontinuing the Associate Principal position to save $$s like many other symphonies have already done.

[or he could give me a call--I live close by in WI and would play the gig for free] lol



Post Edited (2008-01-23 20:57)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: smummert 
Date:   2008-01-23 18:56

Scott Andrews did play just before me. He sounded great. It was a split vote in the Prelims and was asked to play again right after words. Scott was wolfing down a powerbar and water when they came out and said he needed to be on-deck again. I know he did well.



Post Edited (2008-01-23 18:57)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-23 19:31

Scott couldn't do badly - great player.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: diz 
Date:   2008-01-23 20:09

It's like you're all betting on the Kentucy Derby, most amusing!

Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-23 20:58

That would be the case if the Derby happened only once every 30 years or so....

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Chris22311 
Date:   2008-01-23 21:54

WOW! Scott Andres....Wish I could hear a recording of him playing something soloistic!

Chris

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2008-01-26 15:01

Well I'm up and had my coffee......Tiger Woods is ahead by 4 shots.....but I'm not hearing anything about the CSO. As a freelance WW guy that does shows I just have to know! I assume the preliminaries are over?

Freelance woodwind performer

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2008-01-26 15:46

Haven't talked to Ricardo in a few weeks - left a message but no reply yet. Still doubting that he took it, but ya never know.

Lots of titan players so obviously it could go in any direction. I'd think that they would want someone under 40 years old who's a monster. Over 50 would really be pushing it I'd guess. Highly doubt that anyone under 30 will get it.

http://www.MyTempoMusic.com

http://www.ClarinetLessonOnline.com


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: William 
Date:   2008-01-26 15:57

"Over 50 would really be pushing it"

Guess (at 67) that rules out me getting a call......................(LOL)

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: J. J. 
Date:   2008-01-26 16:15

David, the finals date (for some) is the 28th. At this point Ricardo would not have taken it either way.

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: C2thew 
Date:   2008-01-26 20:56

Man this thread seems like we're talking about baseball cards.... for clarinet musicians! i'll trade you a ricardo morales for a......

Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: JJAlbrecht 
Date:   2008-01-26 22:42

C2thew wrote:

> Man this thread seems like we're talking about baseball
> cards.... for clarinet musicians! i'll trade you a ricardo
> morales for a......
>

Yeah, that's something Vandoren should consider. That way, you could get at least TWO items of value with every box you buy... the card and at least one good reed. :)

Jeff

“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010

"A drummer is a musician's best friend."


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: DrH2O 
Date:   2008-01-27 13:36

"> Man this thread seems like we're talking about baseball
> cards.... for clarinet musicians! i'll trade you a ricardo
> morales for a......
>

Yeah, that's something Vandoren should consider. That way, you could get at least TWO items of value with every box you buy... the card and at least one good reed."

... and they could embed an audio clip in the card like the moving Harry Potter wizard cards. Imagine what a Drucker rookie card would be worth now!

Anne
Clarinet addict


 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2008-01-27 17:24

the card: easy, the good reed, harder (I mean less likely)

Bob Phillips

 
 Re: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Vacancy!
Author: CPW 
Date:   2008-01-27 17:28

The card........0.02 cents
The packaging.......0.29 cents
the good reed.......priceless

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