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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-09-20 21:09
Arundo donax has been named the 10th worst invasive species in the world. http://www.issg.org/database/species/search.asp?st=100ss.
Giant reed (Arundo donax) is a perennial grass which has been widely introduced into primarily riparian zones and wetlands in subtropical and temperate areas of the world. Once established, it forms dense, homogeneous stands at the expense of native plant species, altering the habitat of the local wildlife. It is also both a fire and flood hazard.
Common Names: arundo grass, bamboo reed, cana, cane, canne de Provence, carrizo grande, cow cane, donax cane, giant cane, giant reed, narkhat, ngasau ni vavalangi, Pfahlrohr, reedgrass, river cane, Spanisches Rohr, Spanish cane, Spanish reed.
Gimme some of that Spanish Roar.
Ken Shaw
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-09-20 21:18
Didn't check the entire list but I expected to find homo sapiens up near the top.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-09-20 21:27
I just noticed that the list is alphabetical, so forget about the number. And of course human beans are the most invasive of all. We eat up everything.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2007-09-21 15:15
still in the top 100, regardless of the alphabet.
we need to eradicate it, which is what I do everytime I open a box...
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Author: FrankM
Date: 2007-09-21 16:54
I'll tell you one thing.....the ngasau ni vavalangi I used to get in college was way ahead of the stuff you buy today!
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Author: davyd
Date: 2007-09-21 17:49
Arundo Donax would be a good name for a rock band, especially the punk/metal type.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-09-22 08:45
How is it possible to have all this cane about and at the same time have a general reduction in reed cane? with all the excess, some of it has to be good right?
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2007-09-22 10:38
(Disclaimer - I am owner of Arundo Donax Musicalis hybrid)
Probably some is good but wild cane not properly culled to grow the proper diameters and not properly harvested at 2 year growth and processed correctly is not good reed making material. Growing cane efficiently requires some attention and work. No doubt if you could recognize the 2 year growth and harvest and process it properly you might have some starting material for free. It also depends on the growing conditions and environmental conditions of the cane stand if it will grow well enough to make good single or double reeds. There are many sub-species differences between cane stands throughout the world depending on the lineage of the original plant. Some traits in the sub-species make for good reed material and some do not. Cane stands are havens for bugs and snakes so take care while searching for the Golden Fleece.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
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Author: larryb
Date: 2007-09-22 12:45
I was trying to think of a clever way to respond to davyd's post - tying in Stanley Drucker and his rocknroll son - when all of a sudden Lee Rocker pops up in an interview on NPR's morning edition.
what's that all about?
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-09-22 16:50
GBK,
A limerick here would be right up your alley. I'll get you started
These invasive old species abound
And donax is readily found
Now if Drucker, Stanley
Was ever so handy
(Now GBK will insert 8 blahs)
Please don't disappoint, here.
HRL
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Author: GBK
Date: 2007-09-22 19:26
These invasive old species abound
And donax is readily found
Now if Drucker, Stanley
Was ever so handy
He'd make reeds and sell them around.
...GBK
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-09-22 22:00
I once heard a rock band named Donax
Their lead man sure played a mean axe
The drummer was keen
And the Bass player lean
And the singer was Arundo Profundo.
mea culpa
Bob Draznik
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Author: GBK
Date: 2007-09-23 01:15
The wild plant Arundo Donax
Is just right for clar'net and sax.
Don't make reeds for sale
Or you might go to jail
For not paying government tax.
...GBK
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2007-09-23 06:03
There's a highly invasive weed
of the Arundo Donax breed
that grows where it can
in abundance to man
but I still can't find a good reed :-(
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2007-09-23 11:34
Arundo donax breeds and breeds,
Promiscuously spreading seeds,
Invading with its sneaky roots
That thrust up eager, potent shoots.
The reeds all think as one green telepathic mind,
To tell reed players, "Nourish us and love our kind."
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2007-09-23 12:34
there once was a plant from the Var
that spread its genes wide and far
used by musicians
in aural renditions
to oft sound the honk of a car
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-09-23 13:38
All too funny! I'm still laughing. It's great to have a little levity rather than talking about such serious things like reeds, MPs, all-state, etc. all the time
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2007-09-24 13:38
There was a musician named Bruno
He said "Cane is the one thing I DO know.
Old VanDorens were fine,
And Morrees were divine,
Now Gonzalez is numero uno."
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
Post Edited (2007-09-24 13:41)
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2007-09-24 17:54
>>It's great to have a little levity rather than talking about such serious things like reeds, MPs, all-state, etc. all the time
>>
Oh, hey, I'll seize any excuse to write a "pome" I can end with an Alexandrine ("that like a wounded snake drags its slow length along")!
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2007-09-24 20:27
OK so has anyone actually seen or grown this cane to know what it looks like? Behind our home in Central America there are huge grasses growing that the locals tell us are very invasive since water tends to pool in that area. This "grass" is about 12 feet high, it's huge! This isn't the cane we're talking about, is it?
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2007-09-24 22:23
Go on the internet and find a picture and compare it to your own cane. Cultivated cane can reach 30 ft. or more in height - in the wild it varies in height with environment, sub-species, and growing conditions. For clarinet reeds you will want cane that is about 25 mm OD in diameter and 2-5 mm thickness. It should be second year growth (the first year will only have alternating one set of leafs while the second year will have side growth on the stem and perhaps the tassel remnants from the first year flowering. Second year cane should be harvested in the cool fall months (of course this depends on where you live but the coldest months anyway), strip the leafs, separate stems for air circulation, and let sun dry on above ground racks for 2-3 weeks, turning 1/3 turn every few days for full sun exposure(also depends on your sunny weather after harvest) till golden yellow in color, when dry, cut the tubes from between the internodes and put in a burlap bag for slow air drying in a cool dry environment for about 18 months - then you are ready to try and make reeds - you will need the requisite tools too!
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsproducts
I Dona mess Arundo with making reeds myself!
Post Edited (2007-09-24 23:48)
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2007-09-25 03:26
The thought that our cane is invasive
is a rumor that's way too pervasive.
Instead I submit
that if we replace it
with synthetics we'll sound too abrasive!
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-09-25 07:58
Omar,
What about older cane? Is it harder? Maybe a thiner reed made of harder can would produce good reeds too? (Scratch that- produce good reeds)
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2007-09-25 10:14
Second year cane seems to have the optimal fiber structure to make reeds from what I've been told by reed makers. Cane is not like old growth forests because its seeming regeneration time (from my own cane stands) is about every 3 years. First year cane is just too flimsy in fiber structure to make good reeds but again - I Dona mess Arundo with reed making.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
Post Edited (2007-09-25 11:55)
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Author: dgclarinet
Date: 2007-09-25 12:09
Arundo Donax can be quite the pill
It seldom provides a great thrill
But when I can't do much
with knives, rush or some such
I think I'd rather have a round donut.
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Author: connie
Date: 2007-09-26 21:02
During a recent visit to our local zoo, I saw one of the zookeepers trimming back some bamboo (so I thought). When asked if she doubled as a landscaper, she said they grow this and feed it to the elephants. Naively, I asked, "What is it?" When she replied, "Arundo donax," I thought about sneaking in at night to harvest my own. Now you guys have burst my bubble, I gotta wait till it's second year growth, but the elephants eat it first.
We should let the elephants loose on the invasive stuff.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-09-27 04:58
There's this nice guy in France who lives on a farm
All through his life he did no one no harm.
He grows giant grass as a family trade
And sells it on Thursdays to folks with fancy old names.
They always seem worried, They sometimes start yelling
But that is okay, he doesn't mind helping.
It's his family business, it's all that he knows
Done the same by his pappy on that very same grove.
He grows giant grasses and sells it in bunches,
And with the money he buys his kids' lunches.
After dinner tonight, he has Pino Noir,
And thinks...
"I wonder what they all use the grass for."
Post Edited (2007-09-27 12:02)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2007-09-28 02:33
Pardon me not being able to leave it alone.
This thread has me stopped in my trax
I've laughed just about up to the max
The next time I need
To make a new reed
I might try a run of donax
Sorry GBK, I am done now.
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