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 Terrible throat Bb
Author: Swede 
Date:   2007-04-05 17:33

My Buffet C12 has an amazing tone all over the register except for the throat Bb wich is terrible stuffy and out of sound. My E-11 is far better in this
tone. I've checked the tube venting and it's clean. Any clue ?

Thanks
Dan



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 Re: Terrible throat Bb
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2007-04-05 18:05

Use the side key for the throat Bb (the lower of the two trill keys) instead of the speaker key for a better quality Bb.

Use it and where you can as it can be awkward to use.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Terrible throat Bb
Author: jane84 
Date:   2007-04-05 19:29

There are also heaps of "help fingerings" for the throat Bb: try any variant of the three bottom fingers on your left hand and all of the right; covering and uncovering the holes/little finger-keys. Helps both for intonation and tone quality if you find the right one (I think they differ from clarinet to clarinet).

-jane

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 Re: Terrible throat Bb
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2007-04-05 20:01

toss in the C/F key along along with the other "resonance" fingering options. On my R13

RA0xx|000C

clears things up wonderfully and doesn't shift the pitch much

Also for the 2nd space A,

A0XX|000 enables a whole lot more volume

Bob Phillips

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 Re: Terrible throat Bb
Author: EuGeneSee 
Date:   2007-04-05 20:16

Dan: I had a similar problem on a clarinet and found that there was too much play in the adjustment screw between the throat A and G# keys. When the gap beteen the adjustment screw and the A key lever is too big, the A key's cork bumper stops it before it can raise the G# pad enough to properly vent - hence a stuffy, muffled sounding Bb (at least one MORE so than the normal stuffy/muffled Bb).

You want the screw adjusted down where it is not against the G# lever, but at the same time you can't really see the gap . . . when you slowly press the A key, it makes contact with the adjustment screw (you can feel it in your finger tip when it hits the screw) so quickly that you have to watch closely to even see the A pad begin to lift. When adjusted like that, both the A and G# pads should raise enough to properly vent - - provided the A key cork bumper is not too thick.

Eu

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 Re: Terrible throat Bb
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2007-04-05 20:22

We have been over and over this "problem" and Search[ing] in our archives will keep you busy for a bit. IMHO, Selmer and Leblanc have at least partially solved this inherent "double-service" conflict with differing structures/locations of the register vent tube. I believe, for Buffets, that the Galper-patented modification is likely best if the variety of resonance fingergings is not satisfactory. Search, there is much known re: this common problem, and several patented keying structures have been developed, some actually marketed. LUCK, Don

Thanx, Mark, Don

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 Re: Terrible throat Bb
Author: hartt 
Date:   2007-04-06 00:01

use a cork pad for teh register key, not a bladder pad and be sure to bevel the cork to ensure easier dispersition of air.

check for the proper gap opening on the register key......too little or too much

in addition, you can have the vent tube reset so more of the tube is protruding out of the clarinet.

I don't know which tube is used in the C12 but there are French and American tubes. There is also a Festival tube which belongs to the "American ' family.

you can also have the vent tube replaced with a tube used on the Festival model, it will open up the sound

you may want to consider having a tech remove the E11 vent tube and for trial purpose, install it inot the C12

dennis.

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