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Author: clarinets4sale
Date: 2007-03-31 01:57
When the finish and black color have worn off a buffet clarinet what is used to stain them black again and refinish it so that it is like new again?
Thanks
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-03-31 03:20
black pigment stain or other variations of ebony stain. for example part # G22 from Ferree Tools. But it's not as easy as wipe it on and wipe the excess off. You also have to polish it, and I assume match the hue between the pieces.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-03-31 04:12
I have seen a repair person once restain a section with a Sharpie.
I have also heard of using shoe polish.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-03-31 14:35
Or black permanent marker pen - that's pretty much the same stuff what Buffet use.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2007-03-31 15:54
the person that used the Sharpie (US magic marker brand) studied repair at the buffet school.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2007-03-31 16:38
home depot sells little packets of a dark ebony stain sample -
about the size of a ketchup packet. less than $1 each.
e.g. , these are samples of some of their wood stains in various colors. the dark ebony one is very close to what we need for stained clarinets.
i keep a few packets around, along with some of the doctor's products wood wax.
although personally, i prefer unstained clarinets.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: BobD
Date: 2007-03-31 16:43
Stain is used to hide defects. Unfortunately is also hides some beautiful wood.
Bob Draznik
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Author: pewd
Date: 2007-03-31 16:49
yeah.
and take a horn with the keywork removed out in strong sunlight and you'll see all sorts of things - stain, fillers etc.
really hides the natural beauty of the wood.
i'm gonna strip off the varnish and stain on my next overhaul project and see if i can get it back to looking more natural like.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2007-03-31 18:06
A problem with most brands of those markers (including Sharpie) is that they have a certain type of sheen to them that really stands out against black or ebony stains and paints. It is a very distinctive difference. Eu
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2007-03-31 18:27
black superglue ? .. just trying to find an alternate use for superglue again ;-)
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2007-04-01 00:05
I bought some black superglue. Forgotten what brand, but it was a top one, and it claimed that the set product was a lot better than the usual as a filler. It also retained some flexibility.
I allowed a dribble to sitn on the windowsill for a couple of weeks. It went very crumbly, as if it had very low UV resistance, and was becoming like decades-old, perished rubber. This was the opposite from what I wanted, something solid and permanent.
So when I want something black, I still use superglue on grenadilla powder, or Araldite with black paint pigment powder mixed in.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-04-01 00:42
Superglue and wood dust is the universally used filler. As I've mentioned in earlier threads, my Buffet Prestige bass has had several defects filled at Buffet's factory using superglue and wood dust, and other makers do the same thing.
I have used Araldite with black pigment powder mixed in with it, but it looks like very dark grey plastic (which it is in essence) against the natural colour of grenadilla. The good thing using superglue and wood dust is that there's an instant result rather than waiting 24 or more hours before being able to tidy it all up.
Cocobolo and kingwood (or any lighter woods such as pear, maple or boxwood) are much harder to disguise blemishes in as the filler will either end up being lighter or darker, and it's better to have a lighter colour finish that can be blended in by using stain and a good eye for colour matching.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: jane84
Date: 2007-04-02 20:30
"i'm gonna strip off the varnish and stain on my next overhaul project and see if i can get it back to looking more natural like."
How? I once saw an unstained clarinet (from Czechia, I was told), and it looked gorgeus, in that lovely dark brown. My 30-year-old Buffet is beginning to lose some of its colour in places, and I have to admit I like it!
(it's just visual, right?)
-jane
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Author: pewd
Date: 2007-04-02 20:52
in another thread they recommended alcohol or nail polish remover
i have an old e-11 with the varnish and stain flaking off - looks terrible.
summer project for me - will report back when i'm done
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-04-02 22:32
The current E11 clarinets are painted with matt black paint, but from the E13 upwards they use a spirit dye - so any solvent will clean it off leaving the wood it's natural colour. But always oil the wood afterwards and buff to a shine.
If using acetone, make sure you don't go near any plastic parts (such as fingerhole chimneys) with it as it will soften plastic. You're best using methylated spirits and an old T-shirt (torn up) as rags to clean off the dye with, and do this in natural daylight.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: jane84
Date: 2007-04-03 19:38
Aaah, coolest of the cool...
Sadly, my loved one has gotten some hairline cracks in him, so I suppose I'll wait a bit with the alcohol. What do you recommend, vodka, gin or scottish whiskey? (Goodness, I can almost just imagine the smell...;)
-jane
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Author: pewd
Date: 2007-04-04 04:04
jane, thats 'ethanol' youre referring to, chris said 'methylated' lol.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2007-04-04 11:49
The Buffet E11 has to be the worst clarinet design on the market...the finish is is a type of plastic paint which with age peels off..add to that the plastic insert tone holes add nothing to the sound and you have an overpriced dud. How this is an improvement over the Evette wood model has never been sufficiently explained. The thumb rest on the E11 feels really cheap as well.
The E11 is not any where on my radar with students..I tend to reccomend something like a Yamaha Intermediate wood clarinet for students without the large amount of money. Buying an E11 is throwing money out the window.
David Dow
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-04-04 12:33
"The thumb rest on the E11 feels really cheap as well."
It's not just the E11 that has this type of thumbrest - other Buffets have it fitted as well. But as with all things that seem like a good idea, the real world is where they're put to the test.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: jane84
Date: 2007-04-04 17:30
And I was looking forward to get a horn with the smell AND the colour of Jack Daniels ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
(good thing I'm not a professional...could have lost a job on that one)
-jane
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2007-04-04 20:30
jane84: Why would you have lost a job on that comment . . . do professionals look askance at anyone who doesn't drink Martel? Eu
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2007-04-05 11:16
Actually there is alot of stuff out there worse than Jack Daniels...as to wood finsihing I cannot understand why Buffet cannot make the E11 with integral wood tone holes...
David Dow
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-04-05 13:16
Schreiber make the E11 for Buffet.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: jane84
Date: 2007-04-05 19:17
"Why would you have lost a job on that comment . . . do professionals look askance at anyone who doesn't drink Martel? "
Well, I don't know...showing up one bright and early Monday morning and REEKing of whatever substance might not be the smartest thing, hehe.. and as to Martel: I don't know about any professionals who drink it:)
"Actually there is alot of stuff out there worse than Jack Daniels..."
I know, I know...(Tom Collins DrinkMix comes to mind.)
OK, enough about the alcohol now, whichever kind! Think I'll go and practise..
-jane
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2007-04-05 19:41
India Ink??
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