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Author: cigleris
Date: 2007-03-01 12:01
Hi guys. Can anyone give me some tips on how to get my students to play alot more rhythmic. The head of music is on my case a little. They sound fine to me in their lessons but when it comes to peforming in the school concerts etc he seems to think their rhythm is not right. I wonder if any one can help me and give me some new avenues to try.
Many thanks.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-03-01 12:04
Write or mark the main beats above the stave on their music so they can see where they fall.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2007-03-01 12:28
Peter --
What level of student are you talking about here?
Susan
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2007-03-01 17:34
Susan
the levels are about grade 6, Associated Board of the Royal Schools of
Music. And they are also senior school so about the age of 14/15. The thing is i didn't start them off so i wonder if they have picked up bad habits from their first teacher.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2007-03-01 18:14
Refer to older post.....Counting... Chalumeau Joe has some interesting suggestions. Rhythm is such a fundamental skill but even the most proficient player should revisit and evaluate this in their practice. John(I'm going to practice right now)
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: Dano
Date: 2007-03-01 18:20
Seems to me you either have rhythm, or you don't. Maybe confidence in your playing ability gives you rhythm?
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Author: D
Date: 2007-03-01 18:40
If they are playing it right in the lessons then it seems unlikely that they suddenly all start playing wrong in concerts.
Have you any music teacher friends who could offer you a second opinion? Then at least you would know if it was you at fault or the head of music. It could be that he is unfamiliar with the pieces and some of the more modern ones with lots of time changes do sound a bit odd.
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Author: vin
Date: 2007-03-01 19:11
Get the Stievenard (spelling) scale book. Put on the metronome on something slow like quarter equals 60 for the first line and dotted quarter equals 60 for the second line, etc. . Have them play the whole page without repeats and going immediately from the end of the first line to the second. If you insist on accuracy, this will make them subdivide and switch subdivisions, which, of course, is the key to good rhythm.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-03-01 20:01
1. Have them march around the room while playing. There's nothing like a matching physical activity to set a steady beat.
2. Find spoken phrases that match the rhythm a student is having trouble with. For example, the opening of the Beethoven 5th is "I go and SEE."
3. A metronome helps, but more for older kids than 6th graders. It's better to clap (not too loud). Clapping on the off-beat can help, to to subdivide the beat and keep it going.
4. It's like riding a horse. You get on and let the beat do the work for you. Just set each note on top of the beat and tap in to its power.
Ken Shaw
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2007-03-02 11:01
Thanks so much for the advice. I'll try all these suggestions and see what happens next week.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: CJB
Date: 2007-03-02 12:30
Duets, more duets and a few more duets for good measure!
My rhythm was dreadful when I 1st started playing, it didn't matter how often the beats were marked in over notes I'd just get bored and not bother holding on notes to the end of the required length.
I was lucky the school's brass teacher took me in hand. He had 1 trumpet player who was way ahead of the others in the school but wasn't allowed to give individual lessons (this was during the 80s in the UK which was when free instrumental tution was available for group lessons). He knew about my rhythm challenges so pretended I was also playing the trumpet and put me in a group of 2. We spent each lesson playing duets - my ability to play throat notes in tune, cross the break and in particular play rhythmically improved massively.
Good luck.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2007-03-02 21:39
Duets. That sounds like a great idea. I do play along with transposing the piano part (where appropiate) as my piano skills leave alot to be desired.
Thanks will try it.
Peter Cigleris
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