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Author: BassetHorn
Date: 2006-06-05 00:12
Great clip, thanks!
Anyone knows how old is this clip? And how old is she? She is quite youthfull looking and looks to be in great shape!
She did not seem too happy with the reed? Looks like she took it off with great disgust....
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Author: pzaur
Date: 2006-06-05 00:23
Having never seen one live, or a picture, is that a basset horn?
-pat
Guess I'll google this, too.
After googling, I found something complete different in shape. What type of clarinet is she playing? There seems to be too many keys for a current, standard clarinet.
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Author: hartt
Date: 2006-06-05 01:16
.......and I like the way she plays clarinet, too ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
perhaps her 'moves' are carryover from her Ballroom dancing lessons ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
dennis
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Author: pzaur
Date: 2006-06-05 02:29
Waaaayyy to distracting for me. I can handle some movement for classical music. But she's close to doing the Charleston to Mozart!
-pat
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Author: CPW
Date: 2006-06-05 04:10
I like her playing a lot. Clear sound, lively, better than the CD.
I heard that she rides horses. Dressage. You know, like the spanish riding school in Vienna.
Those long legs must come in handy in equitation.
I will stop there before the PC police come get me.
Against the windmills of my mind
The jousting pole splinters
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2006-06-05 04:27
Wow, those pants are painted on her!
/i'll be in my bunk...
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Artistic talent is a gift from God and whoever discovers it in himself has a certain obligation: to know that he cannot waste this talent, but must develop it.
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Author: marcia
Date: 2006-06-05 05:03
Am I right in thinking the basset clarinet goes down to C below the standard E? I saw one in a display case a long time ago and that is the closest I have been to one.
Marcia
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Author: rc_clarinetlady
Date: 2006-06-05 13:06
Haven't we all wanted to throw a reed just like that?????!! Amen!!
However, if I sounded like that I'd probably keep that particular reed. Wow!
Rebecca
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Author: BelgianClarinet
Date: 2006-06-05 13:29
I think the recording is not very old, Sabine Meyer played Mozart , with the national orchestra of Belgium in february this year.
I don't mind the 'show', it's maybe a bit over done, but it doesn't affect the music, and sometimes 'show' attracts public ...
http://www.bozar.be/activity.php?id=907
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Author: ken
Date: 2006-06-05 15:03
For the love of God, drive a stake in the ground to make her stand still!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-06-05 15:09
ken wrote:
> For the love of God, drive a stake in the ground to make her
> stand still!
We need to get a video of Bob Spring and Sabine playing together ...
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Author: BobD
Date: 2006-06-05 15:18
Sabine can make any move she wants to imo. But, hey, how about those kettle drums.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-06-05 16:11
Am I the only one that thought she got a bit ahead of the orchestra in this clip?
Still one of my favourite players, and she's only human.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2006-06-05 16:19
For such childish on stage antics, Sabine should be spanked!
Any volunteers?
(It's a basset horn made for her by Wurlitzer.
He'll make you one too...for about 10,000+
American dollars!)
Clarinet Redux
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Author: marzi
Date: 2006-06-05 16:19
aha! i've been getting teased in orchestra as the dancing clarinet on certain parts, and my previous teacher hated i didn't stand straight, now i know i have company... i don't know how she manages by moving THAT much tho, that is really wild, after watching that i will make sure not to copy that! She really needs to stand back from the edge of the stage for sure...
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-06-05 16:20
I can not see if she has a strap to help hold up that heavy insturment, but dressage riders need good upper body strength as well as thigh power to "collect" the horse ("drive it into the reins") if they compete at upper levels (FEI grand prix). Since she is an equestrian, I would suspect she is strong.
Another factor is breathing. Riders are taught to breathe much like wind players. Score another one for her.
(I used to write health related editorials for an online riding service, and rode horses competively in a "former life" so I have some expertise in this area)
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-06-05 16:20
Make room for Sabine!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarinet60
Date: 2006-06-05 16:24
This is very difficult to watch. I would have to shut my eyes to enjoy her truly gifted playing...
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-06-05 16:29
I think the safest policy is to keep them peeled if she's weilding her basset like that if you're a frontline player! One sharp tap from it and it'll knock you into next week.
Surely there's a Health&Safety risk issue there.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Gardini
Date: 2006-06-05 16:49
http://www.beautyinmusic.com/artist_pages/sabine_meyer_p.htm
Anyone see her play recentely?
I get to see her play three concerts this summer.I'll let you know if she is still in such good shape, or if the years have slowed her movements down a bit.
Old geezer's comment is going to distract me all day at work, shame on you.
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Author: BelgianClarinet
Date: 2006-06-05 18:32
Old Geezer should concentrate on the basset clarinet !! and not the basset horn !!
even if she would play upside down, jumping all around the place ... not many can play as she does, so who cares ? It's lot of more fun than a mummy standing in front of an orchestra, isn't it ?
Have a look at her site, if half is true, we should be thankful and try to move a bit on stage ...
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Author: CPW
Date: 2006-06-06 00:53
I think I am in love.
Against the windmills of my mind
The jousting pole splinters
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Author: hartt
Date: 2006-06-06 01:33
Chris P wrote:
Am I the only one that thought she got a bit ahead of the orchestra in this clip?
No Chris, you're not the only one......She thought the orchestra got a bit behind her.......that's when she stopped and flippped off her reed
dennis
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Author: pzaur
Date: 2006-06-06 03:55
Having played behind Bob Spring in a few concerts, Spring and Meyer would make quite the dance pair!
What was the name of the dance show with celebrities...Spring and Meyer could dance the polka and play it at the same time! Both fantastic players and both very lively individuals!
-pat
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-06-06 05:22
"We need to get a video of Bob Spring and Sabine playing together"
Kind of hard to play when you have someone constantly stepping on your feet!
"This is very difficult to watch. I would have to shut my eyes to enjoy her truly gifted playing"
This, along with a lot of other posts in this thread were very interesting to see how spychology is a big factor. I don't know why I'm always surprised because of this.
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Author: Carmen
Date: 2006-06-06 06:55
rock on sabine. rock on!
***...so do all who seen such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you can do is decide what to do with the time that is given to you.***
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Author: ned
Date: 2006-06-06 09:15
Sounded OK to me but then I'm just a jazzer. When the clip first opened I was reminded of Kenny G (the looks yer know) then noticed the horn and, as the piece is in the key of A, if I'm not mistaken, I though it was an A clarinet. What key is the basset horn pitched in?
Something wrong with her reed? I didn't notice any bum notes at all.
Oh........she moves far more than ANY jazz player I've yet encountered.
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2006-06-06 11:03
From the introductory pages of the Lazarus Clarinet Method, edited by Bellison(selectively quoted):
"When performing before an audience, bear a calm appearance . . . On the other hand, it would offer the company some temptation to laugh if you were to move your head, balance the body, raise the shoulders as a mark of expression . . ."
Tastes have changed since Henri and Simeon's time.
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Could you play that part a little more greenie-orange? - Olivier Messiaen
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-06-06 11:53
Bellison must never have seen Leonidis Kavados play violin.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: susieray
Date: 2006-06-06 14:03
"as the piece is in the key of A, if I'm not mistaken, I thought it was an A clarinet. What key is the basset horn pitched in?"
You are correct, it is an A clarinet.......a Basset clarinet, which is a clarinet that extends down to low C.
(A basset horn is larger and normally pitched in F.)
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2006-06-06 15:13
We need to remember that this is a clip of a REHEARSAL, not a performance.
I thought it was great!
I had a clarinet professor who moved his clarinet around a lot in performance (although he stood in almost the same spot). I found it quite distracting, yet he had a fantastic tone and was a wonderful player. I think CDs are the answer.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-06-06 21:28
Chris P - "Am I the only one that thought she got a bit ahead of the orchestra in this clip?"
Hartt (dennis) - "No Chris, you're not the only one......She thought the orchestra got a bit behind her.......that's when she stopped and flippped off her reed"
I thought so - she only held the first note (C) in bar 329 for a semiquaver instead of a quaver, so she got a fraction ahead of the orchestra in the running semiqaver passages. (I just realised how nerdy that makes me look now! I shouldn't criticise - I can't even do half of what she does!)
Again, it's good to know even the best have their off-days, just like us lot!
But this is what rehearsals are for.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Koo Young Chung
Date: 2006-06-07 05:15
Anyone noticed (very, very samll)pitch shifts due to Doppler effects? ha ha
She also remined me of Midori sweeping,uh playing floors with her violin.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-06-07 13:38
A study was done with sound-pitch changes from a stationary instrument vs. moving in figure 8.
Yes, there is a shift....but pro players notice this (perhaps reflexively) and move accordingly to alter the sound, ie. accentuations and emphasis is made appropriately and effectively.
Notice that despite moving the horn, the angle of the mouth-throat-instrument in this video is held relatively constant .
Motion which changes the airstream (ie opens the angle) will affect the voicing of the sound. This is also a variable that can be exploited.
I believe the study on figure-8 motion was conducted as part of a thesis on acoustics/music, and was previously mentioned on this board.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2006-06-07 18:01
Sabine's onstage antics are off putting enough.
But Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg's posturings make
Sabine look almost stiff and inhibited.
Nadja is definitely champ in onstage overripe
dramatics!
Clarinet Redux
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Author: GoatTnder
Date: 2006-06-07 21:44
Another You Tube video, also the Mozart, but this one is Sharon Kam. Is it really possible to feel that much emotion in Mozart?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oknU0842rY
-Andy Cabrera
a.l.cabrera@gmail.com
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Author: bufclar
Date: 2006-06-07 21:59
At least Sabine is enjoyable to listen to! They both look pretty silly with their contrived movements. I can not stand Sharon Kams playing at all. If she was a big fat guy then I doubt she would have the career that she does. I guess I'm being cynical but everything about her playing on stage or cd really gets under my skin. There are so many clarinet players I would like to hear and would like to see have some solo opportunities but instead we get Sharon Kam. It's a shame really. Sorry to those who like her.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-06-07 22:04
I've heard worse.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: BassetHorn
Date: 2006-06-07 22:41
Is she doing the Daniel-San move? (wax on, wax off....)
She is just going round and round in circles, not as interesting to watch as Sabine.
I will turn the volume on when I watch it later at home.
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Author: ned
Date: 2006-06-07 22:45
I think the piece was in D - she was playing an A basset clarinet - full boehm too.
Yes I think the exaggerated movements on stage of both women tend to look contrived. A small amount of movement to help maintain timing is understandable, but excessive gyration is unnecessary and distracting to the viewer.
Obviously no one has had the nerve to advise these ladies about their effusive on stage antics.
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Author: Musinix
Date: 2006-06-08 00:06
"Another You Tube video, also the Mozart, but this one is Sharon Kam. Is it really possible to feel that much emotion in Mozart?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oknU0842rY"
This clip and two others can also been seen on Sharon Kam's website.
http://www.sharonkam.de
Thomas Fiebig
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2006-06-08 02:28
I've seen a video of Sabine Meyer playing Mozart's K.581 with Hagen Quartett at Mozarteum, recorded in 2000. When she plays while sitting, she is just like the other string players: they all move with expressive gestures.
I don't think we can sit/stand stiffly and make music so mellow as Mozart's.
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: ned
Date: 2006-06-08 03:59
Heck..........I thought you classical folk were trained to sit or stand still.......unlike we undisciplined jazzers.
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Author: ned
Date: 2006-06-08 04:47
''Ned, take cover.....''
..........and about a dozen or so others who posted to this thread.......
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Author: marcia
Date: 2006-06-09 17:45
And how many of you guys would still accept all the gyrations if she was NOT female and very attractive?? C'mon....be honest. 
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-06-09 17:51
Ermmm... yeah, point taken - I don't think [insert name] would do that and still retain their dignity (and stomach contents)!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-06-09 18:00
"And how many of you guys would still accept all the gyrations if she was NOT female and very attractive?? C'mon....be honest."
Honestly, I would accept it no matter who it was.
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Author: Mary Jo
Date: 2006-06-09 18:45
I personally would like to see two accomplished artists in concert together with the Philharmonic: Sabine Meyer and Kenny G.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-06-09 18:58
marcia wrote:
> And how many of you guys would still accept all the gyrations
> if she was NOT female and very attractive?? C'mon....be honest.
I guess you never HAVE watched Bob Spring ...
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-06-09 19:04
"I personally would like to see two accomplished artists in concert together with the Philharmonic: Sabine Meyer and Kenny G."
In other words, you'd like to see tham both locking horns with each other!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2006-06-09 19:10
Well if ya'll like classy clarinet playing ladies our own Laura Ardan - ASO - will be a featured artist at ClarinetFest here in Atlanta - August.
L. Omar Henderson
Picture - http://www.beautyinmusic.com/artist_pages/laura_ardan.htm
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Author: JessKateDD
Date: 2006-06-10 03:24
Sabine is one heck of a dancer! That she can outplay me is a given, but seeing her dance like that just makes me feel even worse.
Sharon Kam, on the other hand - not so good. The whole flat-footed thing with the slowly gyrating torso is painful to watch. It reminded me of that Seinfeld episode where Elaine dances at a party and it ends up in a movie.
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Author: Carol Dutcher
Date: 2006-06-10 03:51
If I moved around like that when I played I would fall over.
I think this is called "showboating."
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