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Author: Stepan
Date: 2004-11-06 15:14
Hi, does anyone know, if exists Mozart clarinet concerto recording without clarinet? I would like to practice...
I would also need someone to lend me A-clarinet!
Or if someone has old, cracked, not well tuning, ugly, etc..., but still playable (after repair) A-clarinet, which he does not want, it would surely make me happy.... VERY HAPPY!
Stepan
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Author: Sharon
Date: 2004-11-06 15:19
Stepan,
"Music minus one" produce a range of CDs without the solo parts added. You can get to their web page by doing a Google search.
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Author: Stepan
Date: 2004-11-06 15:39
Sharon, thanks for info, they really have it, even with repitched version for my old half plastic B-clarinet.
BTW, that clarinet request is still valid, now I can have even B-clarinet! Hooray!
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Author: William
Date: 2004-11-06 16:24
Need clarinets??? You can always do as many of us do--get out your plastic credit card and run up your bill into the next century. But be careful--the recent (credit card) purchase of my new Buffet Prestege low C bass clarinet almost retored by pre-marital bachelor status.
(but it sure plays good :>)
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Author: Stepan
Date: 2004-11-06 16:40
I can get out my plastic credit card, but the money I have there would be enough just for a barrel. Nice grenadilla barrel! Yes. I think I will buy it.
Well, if you have enough for a BIIIG clarinet, why not to buy one small for me?
Christmas is coming!
Oh my GOD! :((
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2004-11-06 17:20
I've never cared much for the Music Minus One series of accompaniments, particularly the orchestral ones. The CD's are simply rereleases of old analog recordings, the orchestral ones sound like they were done by second rate orchestras with second rate conductors, the accompaniment is hard to hear unless you crank up your stereo to uncomfortable levels (or use headphones), and the beat is often irregular, making them difficult to follow. IMHO, they are very much overpriced. Of course, when they were the only thing available ... they were the only thing available.
No longer are they the only thing available. I generally find midi files you can play on your computer far superior, particularly if you have music notation software that will display the score as it plays, that allows you to set tempos to your liking and that allows you to choose, to some extent, the synthesized instruments that are accompanying you. The notation software also makes it possible to transpose the accompaniment so that you can play the work on your Bb as it was originally written for the A. A midi version of the Mozart Concerto, as well as many other standard (and non-standard) clarinet works is here:
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Music/Seely.html
You will need notation software to strip out the clarinet track and to do the transposition but, if you don't have any, I believe there are some shareware or freeware programs available that you can download for this purpose. Search the bulletin board for "notation software" without the quotes and you should find some recommendations. (You will need software that can import midi files.) Or perhaps someone will post current recommendations on this thread.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: pewd
Date: 2004-11-06 17:50
also check out smart music
http://www.smartmusic.com
-paul
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Author: Stepan
Date: 2004-11-06 17:52
David, it dissapeared, I really do not know why... I thougt you deleted it.
Jack, thanks for advice. The CDs at MMO were 35 dollars + shipping... very expencive, I would not buy it anyway... I did not hear much MIDIs in my life, but that I heard I did not like, it just did not sound real, it was strange...
But very flexible... I think. And good for my purpose...
Do MIDIs today sound more real?
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Author: donald
Date: 2004-11-06 19:42
there is a Peters edition CD with the orchestra playing for both Bflat and A clarinets, with the pitch at A=442/443
as far as i know it should cost about 15E
i can't quote the order number as i have lent it to a student, but this is easily available in Germany
donald
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Author: beejay
Date: 2004-11-07 16:51
The Dowani version (www.dowani.com) is excellent, although only for bflat clarinet. It has both piano and orchestral accompaniment.
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Author: Stepan
Date: 2004-11-08 16:49
This is WONDERFULL, really.
Few days ago I knew NOTHING,
and now I have FIVE possibilities!
Thanks!
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2004-11-08 17:58
As Paul suggested, try out SmartMusic. It not only has lots and lots of solos, but it'll transpose them for you, you can play them with or without the solo line, and you can speed it up or slow it down at will. Every few months they send out an update with more stuff in it. The accompaniments aren't orchestral and aren't meant to provide you with a big orchestral backup for your own recording, but if you're looking for an accompaniment so you can learn your part, it's a great help for the small bucks you pay.
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Author: rc_clarinetlady
Date: 2004-11-08 22:36
I just purchased a full orchestral accompaniment on a CD for the Mozart Concerto K 622 from our local music store but they did have to order it for me. It has both the clarinet performance and the orchestral accompaniment for all three movements. It is for the A clarinet though.
The series is called "Soloist in Concert" and the orchestral part is recorded by the "Compagnia d'Opera Italiana". The clarinetist is Denitsa Laffchieva. I thought it was a very good set as it also has the full written piano accompaniment + clarinet part. It was 29.95 for the full set of music and CD. The copyright says 2003 BMG Publications. You also have the option to purchase the rights to perform it in public with the CD accompaniment and it gives that website info. I did think it was hard to follow but thought it was just me : ). At least it's not the midi sound and is a full orchestra.
Good luck on the pruchase of the A clarinet. I got real lucky with mine.
Rebecca
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2004-11-09 00:17
Stepan - you asked if Midi's today sound more real.
Combo answer as it matters who sequenced the midi as well as what equipment you have rendering the midi.
So you could have a really well done midi file (asto the phrasing, tempi, expression, dynamics, etc) but it could sound still really badly with a poor soundcard as the soundcard renders the midi tones. Think playing musically on a kazoo for an example.
Or, you could have a great soundcard and the file still sound very mechanical due to it being sequenced poorly.
There aren't very many really good sequencers out there at all. Sure there are lots of note inputers but the work usually isn't very musical at all.
Midi just can't be as good as a real performance, but it can approach it somewhat. Typically a recording of a midi will sound better than just downloading a file as it would sound like the arranger intended it to be.
Most midi that you find on the net is the mechanical variety. When midi was getting popular I was really into it and then backed out as got too busy to do it. I then learned a lot more about how to do it well. At the old mp3.com there were midi arrangers like Faren Raborn and David Siu who are really good.
Much of what you hear on tv shows are done with midi.
David Blumberg
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2004-11-14 06:51
Stepan - on my download.com website there is a link for Mars from the Planets. It is done with midi and you can hear how realistic it sounds. I was using a lot of sound fonts to get it to sound like that among other "tricks" to make it less robotic like.
It is free and there is no registration (it's a 40 sec clip)
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Author: Stepan
Date: 2004-11-14 09:30
David I listened to it and it sounds pretty well!
I still had a sense of "unreality", but quite weak...
If I did not know that is a MIDI... who knows?
[ Deleted. If you want to complain about our moderating, email us personally. Complaining on the BBoard is counterproductive. Mark & Glenn ]
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2004-11-14 13:42
I did that one about 4 years ago. I got better at the intrepretation afterwards, but the soundfonts sound pretty close to the real thing.
These days scorers are combining real instruments with midi to get even closer to all real.
Hopefully it will never replace the real players completely.
My take on the moderating now is that Mark and GBK want to keep the site fresh and interesting. So a topic which has been beaten into the ground gets closed or one which is or goes way off topic of the clarinet also.
It's to give the viewers (new or old) a quality experience here. It took me a while to get used to it, but I understand finally.
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Author: Robert Moody
Date: 2004-12-20 20:54
MIDI strings seems to be delayedmfor the most part. Smart Music is effective, but you have to buy it and I am a Sibelius fan. I cannot stand Finale and CodaMusic who makes it.
MIDI files that use piano are often very real sounding. It really depends on the time the person took to create the MIDI files. As people mentioned, you can get better sound banks (samplings of sounds) and the MIDI will sound more realistic.
I suggest getting a good MIDI of the Mozart, find an old Cakewalk version and get to playing. Get the piano version and you can mute out the Clarinet part with Cakewalk.
Point is, there are some very viable MIDI of clarinet pieces with piano and free MIDI players (talking about like Cakewalk, not Windows Media Player) and you could be enjoying playing with accompaniment and harmonies and colors right now!
I wonder if anyone has the whole collection that used to be on MusicbySunset. I had a couple thousand of them on a SuperDisk but cannot seem to locate that disk. Real shame too...was a very, very nice collection and way to escape.
Robert Moody
http://www.musix4me.com
Free Clarinet Lessons and Digital Library!
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Author: babiej2000
Date: 2004-12-21 07:51
Just to keep you thinking as you work through the concerto--see if you can get your hands on a copy of David Etheridge's book on the Mozart Clarinet Concerto... Best wishes!
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2004-12-21 15:31
FYI:
An interesting new audio devise enables you to play along with any existing CD, at any speed, slower or faster, without affecting the pitch.
On some of the newer units you can "bury" or "lose" the melody line, or solo part, and play along with the accompaniment only. So, you listen to the CD, slow it down, play along with the soloist, then "lose" the solo, and continue to practice as soloist with your CD.
I recently bought a TASCAM Portable CD Bass Trainer for my daughter, who plays Bass guitar in a Heavy Metal Band (named "1337"). She has put the Trainer to good use by quickly learning all the solo Bass lines to her Band's favorite tunes. The CD trainer costs about $150, and is well worth it. It's actually a very professional audio system for its size and price.
Check out:
http://tascam.com/indexTASCAM.html
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
Post Edited (2004-12-21 15:55)
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