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Author: toney
Date: 2004-07-04 21:59
I am thinking of international schooling for graduate work, and thought I would access the mountain of helpful information from our board members.
Just a poll to gain a little info.......
What would be your top 5 international conservatories for graduate work and why? Also, who would you study with at each?
Thanks for the help!
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Author: toney
Date: 2004-07-05 05:58
Sorry about that. By international, I mean any conservatories that are not based in United States (as I have already seen many praises on this board in past threads regarding Juilliard, Curtis, NEC and the like)..............
I have heard of Royal Academy in London and the Paris Conservatory among others, but has anyone attended these or other fine European institutions??
Thanks and any help is appreciated?
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-07-05 07:58
You can always check the internet by using search engines(yahoo,google, etc). I visited Paris Conservatory website: highly positioned institution, and has age limit.
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2004-07-05 14:27
For clarinet Paris Conservatory is really up there.
-S
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2004-07-06 06:41
I wouldn't be able to say with any real authority what the top institutions are (for clarinet in particular anyway). I think it would be best if you had a particular teacher in mind. At graduate level I would assume you would be focussing on your playing rather than the more academic side of things.
That being said, I know Sabine Meyer teaches at Lubeck, Chen Halevi (a French system player) at Trossingen. Roger Salander is somewhere in Vienna but not sure where.
I have had lessons with Linda Merrick from the Royal Northern College of Music in Manchester and it seems like they run excellent and innovative performance programs there. In Australia, there are some excellent teachers such as Floyd Williams and Paul Dean from Queensland, Alan Vivian from Canberra, Frank Celata from Sydney, David Thomas in Melbourne and many others. If you are interested in early clarinet or bass clarinet I know many of the conservatories in Amsterdam are a good place to start looking.
I think you should seriously consider having lessons with some teachers overseas before making a decision because the quality of the institution doesn't really matter if you can't connect with your teacher...
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-07-06 06:43
The Guildhall of Music and Drama (London) is my "alma mater" ... worked for me.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
Post Edited (2004-07-06 06:44)
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Author: Rachel
Date: 2004-07-06 09:09
Floyd Williams is BRILLIANT.
Linda Merrick plays well, too. Never had lessons with her, but she is very approachable.
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-07-06 14:35
In terms of the UK, I auditioned for all the major colleges.
The Royal Academy was an easy choice in the end, although I'm an undergrad.
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Author: Ron Jr.
Date: 2004-07-06 17:40
Since the Germans and Austrians use different clarinets you might be the odd man out.
Good luck,
Ron Jr.
Post Edited (2006-03-06 18:07)
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2004-07-06 19:14
"As a clarinetist you may wish to avoid German and Austrian universities. Even though they are excellent and offer an excellent classical music education program, the teachers will strongly insist that you use the German System clarinet. You also might feel some pressure to use a Reform Boehm clarinet in Holland. "
This is not true. If you were seeking work in a professional orchestra in Germany or Austria, then you would need to play German system. But the top teachers frequently take on students who play Boehm system.
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-07-06 21:02
Agreed Liquorice,
I have a friend at college who has just spent 6 months learning with Wolfgagng Meyer. Never was it suggested he should move to a German system clarinet.
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Author: LeOpus1190s
Date: 2004-07-07 01:18
That's a really hard question to answer because different areas have very very different ideas on playing clarinet.
In my opinion its best to train in the country were you plan on getting a job.
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-07-07 02:12
LeOpus said:
In my opinion its best to train in the country were you plan on getting a job.
I think that's not entirely true, I humbly point out many talented world wide violinists (for example) who flocked to the late Dorothy Delay ... many of whom then returned to Britain, New Zealand, Australia ... et cetera, to work.
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Author: LeOpus1190s
Date: 2004-07-07 20:16
Diz-
I do think this is very much much true. The clarinet players in the LSO would never be suitable for a job in the CSO and vice versa. They are completely different types of clarinet playing. German orchestra's probably wouldn't want a french trained clarinetist in with their german idealism and vice versa. Perhaps strings have more flexibility but it seems that the national accent is more apparent in clarinet playing.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2004-07-07 21:39
You've all forgotten the most important school of all, the "Riverdale (Maryland USA) School of Low Clarinet Playing". Well, it's locally-famous anyway (at least within a 2-kilometer radius of the school). I graduated 'Summa Cum Rico' there quite a few years ago.
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Author: toney
Date: 2004-07-08 01:06
Le Opus, I'm sorry but I must disagree with you on your opinion.
Andrew Marriner of the LSO studied with Hans Deinzer in Germany, as well as Harold Wright for a bit in the States. And while I agree on your opinion that their are different styles (ie, British, French, German, etc.) I do not believe them to be large enough that a qualified player could not overcome them and be selected to an orchestra in different countries from where they studied.
While they may be exceptions to the rule, I am sure that Andrew Marriner, Larry Combs, Ricardo Morales, etc. could switch places with each other or any other principal and be warmly accepted by both the orchestra in question as well as public......
As for my initial question, it seems that the names that keep popping up are the Royal Academy, Paris Conservatory, Geneva Conservatory, Vienna Academy and Holschule in Berlin to name a few..........any opinions on these specific ones??? Thanks!!
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2004-07-08 06:32
"And while I agree on your opinion that their are different styles (ie, British, French, German, etc.) I do not believe them to be large enough that a qualified player could not overcome them and be selected to an orchestra in different countries from where they studied"
Germany, Austria and Holland are excptions though. It's not just about style, but also the type of instrument. While you willhave no problems studying with a teacher in one of those countries, you won't even be considered for an audition unless you play the appropriate instrument. So even Andrew Marriner wouldn't be considered for a job in the Vienna Philharmonic!
I recently listened to a clarinet audition for our orchestra here in Switzerland. I tried to listen to the candidates' playing ability, musicality, etc., regardless of their interpretation, style, sound, etc. Because I believe that a good player could adapt their style and sound to fit in with whichever ensemble they are playing in. But some of my colleagues only voted for candidates that played according to their very specific style and taste in sound. So many good players didn't even get through the first round. Unfortunately the reality is that not all clarinet players are open minded- so playing in a different style can really be a problem.
Regarding conservatories: I studied at the Geneva conservatory and can highly recommend Thomas Friedli as a teacher. But I really think you should study with someone who's playing and teaching you like.
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Author: Ron Jr.
Date: 2004-07-08 15:50
Liquorice,
Since Swizerland is Quadralingual: French, Swiss German, Italian and Romansch, do the different parts of the country adhere to the instruments of their linguistic groups?
For example: do they play Boehm System in Geneva and Deutsches System in Zürich? Or would a teacher from Zürich teaching in Geneva insist that his teacher use a Deutches System clarinet?
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2004-07-08 21:33
Ron- firstly, I haven't heard of any teacher in any country insisting that a student use any system. I think that the system really only applies when it comes to trying to get a job in a particular country.
Here in Switzerland there is a real mix. Most students all over the country learn on Boehm system. But in my orchestra (Zurich opera) we have one German system player, one Reform-Boehm and 3 Boehm. In the orchestra of the Suisse Romand in Geneva the two principals play Reform-Boehm and the other 3 players play Boehm. The Italian Swiss seem to use exclusively Boehm. Actually it seems to me that German clarinets are being used here less and less.
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Author: HK
Date: 2004-08-01 14:18
Nice theory - however Andrew Marriner WAS offered the Berlin Phil job - one of the last true bastiens of German model clarinet playing.
Some would argue that since the CD, national styles have become more flexible,
My personal opinion is that good playing is good playing - you might not play the same way, but good players can blend to almost anything......Liquorice wrote:
> Ron- firstly, I haven't heard of any teacher in any country
> insisting that a student use any system. I think that the
> system really only applies when it comes to trying to get a job
> in a particular country.
>
> Here in Switzerland there is a real mix. Most students all over
> the country learn on Boehm system. But in my orchestra (Zurich
> opera) we have one German system player, one Reform-Boehm and 3
> Boehm. In the orchestra of the Suisse Romand in Geneva the two
> principals play Reform-Boehm and the other 3 players play
> Boehm. The Italian Swiss seem to use exclusively Boehm.
> Actually it seems to me that German clarinets are being used
> here less and less.
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