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Author: kifissos
Date: 2004-02-19 10:28
How true would the following statement be?
" an old clarinet carrying only the Carl Fisher New York markings is a Buffet clarinet even though no Buffet logos appear"?
Thank you all
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-02-19 13:36
Controversial. Possibly misleading. Not necessarily true. Maybe true.
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Author: William Hughes ★2017
Date: 2004-02-19 14:07
I once owned two Buffets--a 1912 Bb and a 1926 A. Both were marked with the Carl Fisher New York imprint on the bell, but both bore standard Buffet markings as well. Carl Fisher was merely the importer and a U. S. distributor at the time.
Post Edited (2004-02-19 14:09)
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-02-19 14:56
kifissos -
I'm pretty sure that Fisher sold clarinets under its own name. They may or(more probably) may not have been Buffet stencils.
Pre-R-13 Buffets are identifiable by details of their keywork. For more than you probably want to know, see http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=11130&t=11130 .
In reading that posting, I realize that I forgot to say that the key guide for the top two trill keys is made of a flat, diamond-shaped piece of metal that is bent in a flat-bottomed U shape. (On the R-13, it became a cylinder with a slot cut down the center.) If you see an instrument with a one-sided key guide, or one that fits around only the upper trill key, it's not a Buffet.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Dee
Date: 2004-02-19 22:32
I remember reading somewhere that the licensing agreement between Buffet and Carl Fisher varied from negotiation to negotiation and that there was a time when only the Carl Fisher name appeared.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2004-02-21 00:07
I should have also said that Carl Fisher was the distributor for other makers also. For example, I have a Pruefer from 1940 or so that was distributed by Carl Fisher.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-02-21 00:12
Do you think that perhaps we could get a section up here on "Identifying Buffets" with pictures of the various differences? I just wondered since buffet is the most common clarinet played around the world (as far as my small knowledge goes, but I think my hunch is right). And it would probably be very educational, interesting and helpful to have a summary of the different changes throughout history as well as some pictures so we all can see the difference between the flat spring/needle spring and different mounting posts or (probably one of the most subtle) changes in the curvatures of the keys. Maybe under the "equipment" section or the other section with the serial numbers. Just a thought . . .
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-02-21 00:33
sfalexi wrote:
> Do you think that perhaps we could get a section up here on
> "Identifying Buffets" with pictures of the various differences?
Excellent idea! I'd need sharp pictures of characteristic identifying features, along with model name & accurate dating (for some of the models, especially along the 1950s when there was a model changeover to the R13, personal provenance would be very helpful).
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