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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-02-02 15:25
Some major orchestras in the US, UK, and Australia have broadcasts via radio/Internet simulcasts (I've listened to Cleveland in the US).
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-03 03:41
Interestingly the Minnnesota Orchestra which has released an anniversary CD boxed set ... I can't wait to get it. One of the US's great orchestras, in my book and not on the East Coast, go figure!?
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2004-02-03 05:01
Last time I looked, Chicago wasn't on the East Coast. Or, Detroit, Cleveland or Montreal, either.....
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2004-02-03 10:56
They also have a series of terrific sounding, and well performed recordings on the "Reference Recordings" label.
I especially like "Valentino Dances"
I would give the Ebony Concerto a miss, however- It was unremittingly dull.
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-03 21:53
vin ... I didn't say there was anything WRONG with the east coast my inference was that an orhcestra doesn't, necessarily, have to BE on the east coast to be world class ... although the great majority of east coast US orchestra just happen to be (NY, Philly, Boston, etc).
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-02-03 23:36
And I get to hear Burt Hara live...'cause I'm in the Twin Cities! (My little "neener-neener" moment)
They're a pretty durn good bunch of musicians, IMO, and Osmo's relationship with them is a lot more celebrated than that of Eiji Oue's. (FWIW, _I_ really enjoyed Oue's work with the orchestra...)
Katrina
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2004-02-03 23:45
Why are we talking about the NY Phil if we're discussing GREAT orchestras?
I mean they can't compete orchestra in the US like Montreal, much less on a world level.....
Bradley
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-04 00:06
I happen to think the NY Phil is a great orchestra, sorry, but I could be wrong.
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2004-02-04 00:28
I was just trying to stir things up. I honestly don't think the NY Phil is even in the top 5 currently, after hearing their more recent performances, but that is only my opinion, I'm not that annoying.
I thought I was going to get a "the NY Phil is the best in the US, how could you say that you young inexperienced moron", but alas. Since you were nice in your response, I figured I should post again and calm it down.
Bradley
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Author: Rachel
Date: 2004-02-04 00:37
Bradley, you're always trying to stir things up. What is it with you?
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Author: RM
Date: 2004-02-04 01:41
I agree with Bradley, NY Phil sounds pretty bad lately, especially the wind section!
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Author: Bellflare
Date: 2004-02-04 02:30
OK then which are the top 5 in US of A?
moi picks? glad u asked
I now put Pittsburgh at or near top esp with Jansons.
Still consider NY great....esp. now
Minnesota is up there, etc. etc.
OK team....now u can comment.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-02-04 02:51
Someone who knows said:
> Their principal clarinetist is one of the most
> unique virtuosos ever to play in any orchestra.
> The length of his career is without precedent.
> He goes to work every day
> more fired up about what he does than
> any other musician I have ever met.
> And he plays his ass off too.
A few months ago I asked Stanley how much longer he'll continue with the NYPO. He replied (in essence): "Why leave? It's an easy job." ...GBK
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-04 02:51
Bradly said:
"the NY Phil is the best in the US, how could you say that you young inexperienced moron"
which is not allowed, if you read the rules of use for this Bulletin Board - but that doesn't mean I didn't think it ...
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-04 02:59
Anyway ... it's amusing to see you Americans get yourselves all twisted up over which is the BEST in the world, which is the TALLEST in the world and which is the FASTEST in the world ... I truly wish we Aussies were so competitive ...
As to rating orchestras - that can only be done on a performance by performance basis. I heard the London Symphony live a couple of times, once it was dreadful and the most recent time I was speechless at thier skill. Likewise when the Pittsburgh came to Sydney and (long ago) my beloved NY Phil. I have not, very unfortunately ever heard the Minnesota live, but should I ever come back to the US then Minneapolis (sp?) will be high on my agenda for that very reason. I've always liked them, they have a certain stylishness that I can't quite put my finger on (like the Chicago's unmistakeble woodwind section).
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-02-04 03:18
When they're good (the NY Phil) they're very, very good.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-02-04 04:30
"...Frankly I was shocked that no one commented on last week's NYPO telecast..."
OK - I will.
Their playing last week under Muti was exceptional. The sensitivity and feeling they conveyed, especially in the Brahms, was a far cry from some of the workmanlike read throughs we tolerated in the 80's. I think they are now playing at their most inspired level in years.
The Rosamunde Overture sparkled. Thomas Quasthoff left the audience wanting more, and as usual, all principals in the Brahms 2nd were magnificant. (I'll even overlook Philip Myers' bobble on the high G at the end of the 1st movement).
The NYPO is certainly on a par with any symphony orchestra on the planet. On one of their "on nights", very few, if any, play better...GBK
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-02-04 05:10
diz wrote:
>I have not, very unfortunately ever heard the Minnesota live, but should I >ever come back to the US then Minneapolis (sp?) will be high on my >agenda for that very reason.
Yes you spelled it right!
Katrina
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Author: ksclarinetgirl
Date: 2004-02-04 05:28
Can you access the NYPO's telecasts on the internet? Tried doing a search for their website, and I guess it's down or something, but I would really like to be able to listen to it. Our puny little community tried to play Rosamunde last semester, and I would love to hear a good recording of it...
Stephanie :o)
"Vita Brevis, Ars Longa"
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-02-04 14:17
I watched the NY Phil. concert on PBS, with the sound on local radio, and had a mixed impression. Rosamunde was quite good. Mark Nuccio played 1st and Pascual Forteza played 2nd, both on C clarinets.
Thomas Quasthoff was the highlight. I've never heard more beautiful or more musical singing. He gets better every time I hear him. The orchestra sounded underrehearsed, though, and the double bass player was painfully out of tune.
Stanley Drucker came in for the Brahms symphony and played beautifully. He and Pascual Forteza did the nasty interlocking arpeggio solos in the 3rd movement perfectly. The orchestra itself, I thought, played well enough -- everything seemed easy. It was never less than highly professional, but I wanted more heart and soul.
Stephanie --
The Overture to Rosamunde with George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra, and Marcellus in his prime, is available at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000062DB/qid=1075907502/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-8271717-5577609?v=glance&s=classical
Even better is the complete incidental music with Szell/Cleveland, which, according to Marcellus student David Hattner, was Marcellus's favorite recording of himself. Unfortunately, it's available only on an SACD at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004ZDVK/qid=1075907631/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/002-8271717-5577609?v=glance&s=classical That alone is a good enough reason to get an SACD player.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-02-04 14:41
I wonder if Bradley plays Principal in the Berlin MAYBE.....
David Dow
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Author: Brandon
Date: 2004-02-04 22:30
I post will post my two cents regarding the NY Phil telecast. I was actually quite shocked. On the contrary to many posts already, I felt as if the program was quite boring, and poorly played. Poorly played for the New York Phil anyway. The arias were certainly the highlight of the program. It is neat to see how Mr. Quasthoff came through his physical problems to reach the pinnacle of his profession. As for the playing, the weak sounding string section, coupled by too many faulty French Horn entrances in the Brahms really took the life out of the piece. I felt as if the tempi was a little off in places, ableit as it was a week ago I forgot the particulars. The second movement I do remember screaming at the TV for them to use more emotion, as they were playing Brahms for God's sake. It just sounded as if the orchestra was going through the motions. Where as the clarinet playing wasn't inspiring, it was not bad either. Another thing I noticed is how bad several of the cutoffs were. Quite surprising coming from a group such as this. Was this an off night for the orchestra? I doubt it. I bet that it was middle of the road.
As far as my top American orchestras, I would have to put Philadelphia at the top. Hands down the best. They're new hall is beautiful, and the orchestra just comes alive when playing there. Second choice would either have to be San Francisco or Cincinnati. I believe that the Cincinnati Symphony has one of the finest young conductors and young clarinet sections in America. Too bad it might be broken up soon. Anthony is a fine player. Those are my top three choices. As far as favorite principal clarinetist, I would have to say Steve Barta in Baltimore. Gorgeous sound. Certainly reminds you of that Marcellus sound.
As far as international orchestras, I would say it would be difficult to outplay the Berlin Philharmonic. My next two choices would most likely be the Kirov Orchestra from the Mariinsky in St. Petersburg, or the Vienna Philharmonic. I have heard many boos and hisses from my next comment, but I would not even put an American orchestra in the top 10. Philadelphia would be close. However it really depends on which conductor is on the podium. I have heard great concerts with great conductors and the same orchestra with their music director and you wouldn't think they were the same ensemble.
My final comment on the NY Phil is brief. Having heard all of New York's ensemble's many times live, I would not even put the NY Phil in the top 3. I would gladlly hear the Met, whoever is playing at Carnegie, the NYC Opera CO, then maybe the NY Phil. But I would probably choose a broadway show first. Still wanting to see "The Producers"...
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2004-02-04 22:41
Rachel- yes, I am, because I really have a problem with people that just jump on the bandwagon to agree without expressing their real opinion (if of any validity).
Bradley
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