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Author: John83
Date: 2003-10-30 02:17
Recently I bought M30...
I've played M15(long facing and closed opening) but
M30 has long facing and 'MED' OPENING....so it's strange for me...
As I know, long facing with close opening is natural.....
By the way...How to play with long facing mpc..?
Is that right to bite piece a little??
And what reed are you using?? (Vandoren v12)
3.5? 4?
And tell me something for me about playing m30.....
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Author: LeOpus1190s
Date: 2003-10-30 02:27
First off, congrats on picking a Vandoren M30. They are fantastic mouthpieces. The M30 was designed to have all the benifits of the m15 but with more projection. As far as reeds are concerned this mouthpiece was really designed to be used with the tradional reeds. I use 3.5 (with the tip shaven a little bit).
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-10-30 03:01
I play the M30 with a Legere 3 1/2 which is a little softer than the norm.
I needed to relieve the baffle, just behind the tip rail.
It was pretty shrill until I took out a bit of material there.
Not bad for 55 bucks!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-10-30 03:12
LeOpus1190s said:
> As far as reeds are concerned this mouthpiece was really designed to be used with the >tradional reeds.
Not true. Where did you get that information from? ...GBK
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-10-30 03:41
I have a long facing. I find it necessary to take in more mouthpiece than just the tip. I guess it's cause the curve of my mouthpiece starts so far down the reed. Look at your mouthpiece sideways. If the curve of the mouthpiece starts pretty far down the reed, you may have to take in a little more. Just whatever's comfortable for you (I've seen people take a bunch of mouthpiece and seen people take in so little I wondered what reed was in their mouth to tongue for articulation). But from what I've seen, I've seen people with a longer facing and take in a little more mouthpiece.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: studioline
Date: 2003-10-30 13:11
I normally play on a B40, tried M30. Bought it too. When I have the time, I think I shall probsbly swap to this mouthpiece. The little time I have spent on it, after finding the right strength reed (much harder that what |I play on with my B40) which will be V12's 4 or 41/2, I find it very responsive, easier to blow and producing a richer more vibrant tone with more clarity.
Nice.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-10-31 07:33
LeOpus1190s... Nowhere, in any Vandoren literature does it say to use only Traditional (Blue Box) reeds with the M30.
If this mouthpiece was designed to play optimally with Traditional reeds, one would think (or hope) that Vandoren would state that fact in their mouthpiece description. To the contrary, they show suggested recommended reed strengths for all three types of the reeds they manufacture...GBK
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2003-10-31 13:49
my question to john83 is why would you buy a mouthpiece you can't play comfortably?
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: LeOpus1190s
Date: 2003-10-31 21:08
GBK - Congrats on reading the vandoren info well but i must inform that there many things that companies do not put in their adds for various reasons.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-10-31 22:06
LeOpus1190s...Your assertion about the M30 designed to be used with Traditional cut reeds is faulty on a few fronts:
1. A longer faced mouthpiece will always match better with reeds that are longer in the vamp - The V12 and the Vandoren 56 both have longer vibrational zones than the Vandoren Traditional style reed. The M30 is a long faced mouthpiece at 22mm (.866").
2. Vandoren Traditional reeds have a blank thickness of 2.8mm and a tip thickness of .085mm. Why won't any style reed with those dimensions not work on an M30? Practically every "thin blank" reed on the market today has those exact dimensions. Are you saying that my Mozart reeds will not work on an M30? Highly doubtful.
3. Your information about the above named artist claiming the M30 was designed for Traditional reeds has never been stated anywhere - in print, in interviews, or in any Vandoren literature. Why?
4. Secondhand (or thirdhand) information is dangerous and always subject to questioning.
I would hope that for the ethics and reputation of the above named artist that the information you stated is not correct. If indeed it is a fact (again, doubtful), then Vandoren certainly is obligated to correct their literature.
However, with Vandoren's blatant disregard to the wishes of their consumers (witness the great "flat tip reed profile" uprising) I'm not holding my breath...GBK (who has never played an M30 and doesn't plan on doing so in the future)
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Author: Ed
Date: 2003-11-01 00:55
"1. A longer faced mouthpiece will always match better with reeds that are longer in the vamp"
I have heard this said, but I have always preferred the traditional cut, even with the longer facings. They have always worked better for me, and give me more of the sound I desire.
"3. Your information about the above named artist claiming the M30 was designed for Traditional reeds has never been stated anywhere - in print, in interviews, or in any Vandoren literature."
Who knows, I have heard the same from a number of sources. For some reason, it may be a Vandoren thing. When the M13 came out, it was often the word that they were designed after Montonaro's Chedevilles, and at the least after Cheds in general. I know people who had been told this at trials of these here in the US. When I was trying some in Paris at Vandoren, Jean-Paul Gauvain told me they were not patterned after anything, they were a completely new design. Go figure.
I would imagine that since Vandoren is also in the business of selling reeds, that they would want to make sure that they indicate all of their reed styles for each mouthpiece as much as possible to maximize sales. I would think it would be a good marketing move. Besides, some may like one style or another despite what they are told works best. Each person has different physical structure, tastes and playing styles. I have colleagues that can play on set ups that don't work for me and they sound wonderful. I always say that is why Ben and Jerrys makes so many flavors.
Post Edited (2006-08-27 23:18)
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Author: vin
Date: 2003-11-01 03:45
i tried some m30s very recently at the vandoren studio in new york. david gould, a very kind, helpful gentleman and a terrific clarinetist to boot, is in charge of "products" there. He has told me on several occasions that as far as vandoren knows, the m30 is not designed for one particular reed. If david, who knows more about vandoren products than all of us, says this is so, I would guess he's right. It is understood that some people like v12s some traditional some others. To each his own. There is almost nothing about mouthpieces and reeds, or music for that matter, that must be "this way" not "that way." It's all a matter of personal preference.
As a side note, I ended up buying a m30 that plays pretty well and I do like the projection. I will have to try it out in rehearsals and other "real" situations. I did try several m30s that were AWFUL. I have played Kaspars that were AWFUL and Kaspars that made me wet myself. There is no such thing as a specific brand of mouthpiece that can be labeled as a group as "fantastic mouthpieces."
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Author: donald
Date: 2003-11-01 07:51
re Vandoren 13 mouthpieces made to match Montanaros Ched.....
..... i have to say that the 13 series mouthpieces i saw back in the mid/late 1990s DID have a baffle that was similar to many 0f the 1960's Chedeville mouthpieces i have seen. I have not noticed this particular baffle profile on any other modern mouthpiece.
i also don't think that the 13 series mouthpieces sound particuarly like the best Chedevilles i have tried.
re length of lay, i'd be suprised if Vandoren had designed a long lay mouthpiece to be used with the "Traditional" reed. My experience in this department matches GBK, and my colleages who get a good result with Trad Blue box, seem to also play on shorter/medium lay mouthpieces.
however i've seen people get good results from all kinds of set ups, so it wouldn't particuarly suprise me if Jon Mannase used Blue box on the M30.
donald....
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2003-11-02 16:00
For what it's worth.
After trying M13, M13 Lyre, M14, & M15 I had settled into playing on the M15.
After a couple of years of playing on the M15, I mail ordered an M30.
When I tried it, I was disappointed and went back to the M15.
After reading this post (especially the part about Synonymous Botch relieving the baffle) I got the M30 out and visually compared it to the M15. The M30 tip rail was obviously thicker than the M15, so I too relieved the M30 baffle until the tip rail looked similar to the M15. It now plays better for me than the M15.
I had been using Zonda 3.5 reeds on the M15, but Gonzales FOF 3.5 work better for me on the now modified M30.
I now have better projection, and a better altissimo than I have had previously.
John
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Author: Detru Cofidin
Date: 2006-08-27 19:30
I think there is some confusion between the M30 and M13. The M13 is designed especially for traditional reeds. The M30, however, is not. Nevertheless, personal preference beats any outside recommendation - get out and try the MP with a few different reeds to see which setup works best for YOU.
Nicholas Arend
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Author: beejay
Date: 2006-08-27 21:16
I play my M30 with Glotin 2.5 reeds, and am very happy with the result. Only wish they still made Glotins.
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