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Author: rbell96
Date: 2003-08-02 17:37
Hi,
Just sorting out missing music in my collection and I have misplaced my copy of Op. 120 No. 1! Can't find it anywhere!!
What editions do people use of the Brahms? I have the Wiener Urtext for Op. 120 no. 2.
Thanks,
Rob
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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2003-08-02 17:56
I have the "masterworks for clarinet and piano", which contains both sonatas plus numerous other nice pieces... and the mendelssohn sonata ; )
DHite - theclarinetist@yahoo.com
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Author: vin
Date: 2003-08-02 22:12
Vienna Urtext is the best in my opinion with Henle a fairly close second. Henle seems to take more (while a lot fewer than other non-urtext editions) liberties in interpreting where certain crescendi/decrescendi begin and end, while Wiener Urtext stays remarkably close to the manuscript, although of course there are a few differences between the manuscript and the first edition and the viola (eek) edition (other than double stops, octave placement, etc.). A good thing to do is go to a store than has them both and look at the notes about corrections in the beginning of the piano score (I know Vienna Urtext has these and I think Henle does too). GBK will probably be able to weigh in on this and provide more inside. Anyhow, my very first teacher a long time ago had a bit of advice that was somewhat true:
"If you want to play a serious piece, just don't get the Peters Edition."
I guess it's a start?
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-08-02 22:22
Could someone explain what the 'Peters Edition" is?
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Author: donald
Date: 2003-08-03 01:36
an edition published by "Peters", a very reputable (and old) publishing firm that do un-reputable things like leave bars/beats/notes/accidentals out every so often.
donald
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-08-03 03:06
Both the Henle and Wiener Urtext are the modern critical editions.
However, both were based on a combination of the first edition by Simrock in 1895, and the original engraver's copy (which contained some corrections in Brahms' hand).
The actual working rough draft manuscript of Sonatas Nos.1 and Nos.2 (which show a rare glimpse of Brahms' compositional thought process) were recently (1997) sold at auction by Sotheby's of London. These were probably the manuscripts used by Brahms and Mühlfeld in the first performances.
As Brahms usually destroyed all working versions of works before giving a final perfect copy to his publisher, these manuscripts are fascinating, not just to clarinetists, but all music historians...GBK
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-08-03 22:35
GBK - do you know if they're availabe in digital format?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-08-03 23:28
The only reproductions were the few pages that were photographed for the Sotheby catalog before auction. The buyer (a London dealer - name never disclosed) has yet to show the manuscripts in any format to the general public ...GBK
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