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Author: moose6589
Date: 2003-06-17 21:04
I was just wondering, do certain brands of reeds cater to different openings of mouthpieces? Something like saying a vandoren works particularly well with a closed mouthpiece? Or do all/most reeds work equally well with all openings? if there are differences, what reeds would you recommend for closed and open tips when going for overall tone quality and sound?
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Author: leonardA
Date: 2003-06-18 03:33
Generally speaking what I've read is that more closed mouthpieces do better with harder reeds and open mouthpieces do better with softer reeds. There may be exceptions, and perhaps some others with more experience could comment on this.
Leonard
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Author: Benni
Date: 2003-06-18 03:51
Speaking brand-wise, I've found the most consistency of tone between registers with Zonda reeds on mpcs with varying tip openings and facings. Vandoren V12s tend to be a bit stuffy in the lower register (and sometimes throughout the range), Mitchell Luries tend to be stuffy in the lower register and bright up top, and Pete Fountains tend to be good until G5, then they get bright. I haven't played blue box Vandorens in a long time, so I can't comment on those. Oh, and I couldn't even find an Olivieri reed that played well enough to keep it on for more than 10 minutes. I once had good results with a cut-down JAVA sax reed, though . . . I'd be interested in trying that again.
Remember, these are just tendenies I've observed . . . Also, sometimes the stuffiness issue can be taken care of with a little sanding. Still, in short, I've had the best results (and with the least amount of reed surgery) on Zondas.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-06-18 14:52
I certainly find the V12 tend to work better on recent Vandoren models than older style vANDOREN pIECES
Ie. B40, B45, B45Lyre and the M30 tend to play really alot better on V12 than traditional blue box...
David Dow
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Author: yo_dude24
Date: 2003-06-18 19:35
what i use is a clark fobes debut, with my 3 1/2 Rico GC evolution reeds, they work incredably well, they start to get bright around G5 as well, but if you can controll it it's awesome beyond belief, so yah thats what i use, i used a M13 with my V12s and i liked them as well i believe that the B45's and the 5RV lyres work well with V12s yah!
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* John Lennon
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2003-06-18 23:53
Other factors can have an effect.
The other less mentioned factor is facing length ie. the pitch of the curve. It also has an effect and governs how much mouthpiece you can get into your gob. Someone with a heavy tongue may want a short one or vice versa.
With reeds I am curious as to why the differing qualities of file cut and American cut are seldom mentioned. General rule of thumb is that file cut reeds are more flexible and generally produce a slightly brighter sound. American cut are darker in sound but handle a lot more air. Blank thickness is also a factor becuase more reed fibres are exposed owing to a slight increase in the area of the vamp. Thick reeds play a half strength or so softer.
You can make changes to your sound by swapping mouthpieces and reeds for particular purposes. Sax players do this a lot. Especially on tenor where metal mouthpieces are widely used. They are not appropriate for all circumstances but like wise neither are hard rubber mouthpieces.
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Author: cyso_clarinetist
Date: 2003-06-19 21:25
D Dow-
I respect your findings on V-12 reeds with the vandoren M30 mouthpiece but I don't agree with you on the grounds that the M30 was designed to play with the blue blox reeds.
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Author: vin
Date: 2003-06-20 17:52
cysoclarinetist-
vandoren may have indeed designed the m30 to play with blue box reeds. indeed, jon manasse's teacher, david weber, advocated the use of regular vandoren reeds over the v12s for a long time. But that doesn't mean it works for everyone. As a friend of mine says "you can never argue with success"- if something works for someone (i.e. David Dow), you can't argue that it doesn't. I tried a whole bunch of m30s and they worked better for me with v12s (i usually use regular blue box vandorens anyway). Does that mean my mouth is not up to vandoren standards? In the last year, Vandoren also changed the tip of the v12 to fit the early M series mouthpieces. I and several of my colleagues find this design tip of the v12 to work less well with our m13lyres, the very mouthpiece they were "designed" to help. If Robert Marcellus was still alive and tried an m30 with his thick Moree reeds, would you tell him he was wrong because they were not designed for that mouthpiece? What about people who like grand concert better? Everybody is different, by design or not.
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