Advertising and Web Hosting on Woodwind.Org!

Woodwind.OrgThe Clarinet BBoardThe C4 standard

 
  BBoard Equipment Study Resources Music General    
 
 New Topic  |  Go to Top  |  Go to Topic  |  Search  |  Help/Rules  |  Smileys/Notes  |  Log In   Newer Topic  |  Older Topic 
 Zinner's deep baffle with open facing?
Author: Nakata 
Date:   1999-09-26 23:52

Hi ... is it possible to put a open facing on
a deep baffle mouthpiece like the Zinner to suit
reed like V-12 #3?

Nakata

Reply To Message
 
 RE: Zinner's deep baffle with open facing?
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   1999-09-27 00:58

I briefly looked into the paperbacks by Brymer "Clarinet" and Gibson "Clarinet Acoustics" which may help you study mp design and characteristics, both are available from Amazon.com, and may be found in a good-sized library. Also, look at the Hite web-site as well as VanDoren, they may help. I believe there is a US patent to Zimmer, will look for it and post if found. Luck, Don

Reply To Message
 
 RE: Zinner's deep baffle with open facing?
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   1999-09-27 01:40

Eureka! - I found it even tho I tried to misspell Zinner, my apologies! It is US 5105701 [in the format necessary to retrieve it via IBM, which has more detail than the USPTO]. Go to http://patent.womplex.ibm.com and ask for this number. This is a 1992 pat and may be earlier than present manufacture, but this is the only pat to Zinner. I'll check on Jerry Hall tomorrow. Don

Reply To Message
 
 RE: Zinner's deep baffle with open facing?
Author: Chris Hill 
Date:   1999-09-27 05:32

Generally, deep baffle mouthpieces like Zinners need a close facing to counteract the resistance of the deep baffle. With an open facing, they become extremely resistant.
Chris

Reply To Message
 
 RE: Zinner's deep baffle with open facing?
Author: Kimberly Nisius 
Date:   1999-09-27 14:02

If you are realy serious about a Zinner mouthpiece or at least starting from that blank, look into Gregory Smith's mouthpieces. I am using a Vandoren V-12 #3.5 on mine.

Reply To Message
 
 RE: Zinner's deep baffle with open facing?
Author: HIROSHI 
Date:   1999-09-28 01:16

I read the Jerry Hall/Hans Zinner's patent and found it consists of:
1)Facing curvature radius=158.75mm,
2)A-frame walls(Greg Smith calls angled walls) typically found in German mouthpieces with an angle of 8 degrees.
3)Bore length=52.75 with a taper from 13.504mm to 14.859mm.

I could not recognize anything written about deep baffles. Does Zinner mouthpiece have deep baffles generally?

p.s.
1.They say this gives deeper and softer tones. However, I think it should be considered angled bore is generally said to give so called darker tones. You might dislike this kind of tones since you posted earlier that they are sometimes dull to some people.
2. I was a little surprized to find Zinner blanks are now so popularly adopted by American hand-made mouthpiece manufactures,Hall,Smith,Genousha.

Reply To Message
 
 RE: Mouthpiece Analysis
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   1999-09-28 15:31

Thanks, Hiroshi, for your deciphering Zinner's patent description, I also didnt find depth or volumetric relations to answer the request. This patent is cited as a reference in US 5303628, Salazar, if you wish to look further. Its possible that Lee Gibson's Chapter 15 may be helpful, as he compares German and French mp's. A further patent search via either IBM or USPTO, possibly as simple as clarinet OR woodwind AND mouthpiece, may turn up more info. I'll look into it when I can. Don

Reply To Message
 Avail. Forums  |  Threaded View   Newer Topic  |  Older Topic 


 Avail. Forums  |  Need a Login? Register Here 
 User Login
 User Name:
 Password:
 Remember my login:
   
 Forgot Your Password?
Enter your email address or user name below and a new password will be sent to the email address associated with your profile.
Search Woodwind.Org

Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale

The Clarinet Pages
is sponsored by:

For Sale
Put your ads for items you'd like to sell here. Free! Please, no more than two at a time - ads removed after two weeks.

Miscellaneous
Services and products too varied to categorize! Repair, recording, news

Accessories
Accessories that every clarinetist needs - reed makers and shapers, ligatures, greases, oils, and preservatives ... and more!

Events
Major events especially for clarinetists

Music & Books
CDs, Sheet Music, and some of the greatest reference books ever written!

Service
Instrument repairs, restorations, adjustments, and overhauls.

Instruments
Retailers and manufacturers of clarinets, both modern and early replica

Reeds
Great reeds available from around the world

Mouthpieces & Barrels
Fine makers of mouthpieces and barrels, from wood to crystal to hard rubber and plastic

 
     Copyright © Woodwind.Org, Inc. All Rights Reserved    Privacy Policy    Contact charette@woodwind.org