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Author: rbell96
Date: 2003-03-12 17:04
After my recent posting about the Szell recordings of the Beethoven symphonies I noticed i don't have a recording of any of the Tchaikovsky Symphonies in my CD collection.
Just thought I would ask for recommendations from you guys!
Rob
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-03-12 18:46
Simply stated I don't think there is a single truly great cycle with one orchestra. I have a fond spot for No. 6 with berstein live in NY> with the Phil from the 80s in spite of some strange tempos it is really very emotional.
Reiner did a very interesting one in the 50s with the (NO>6) with Chicago which should be looked into. I also like the No. 4 Boston with Monteux on RCA. Winter Dreams No 1 with Tilson Thomas in Boston from the early 70s is a fantastic record. No 2 with Abbaddo is Nice, and give Szell with Cleveland No 5 is riveting. No 3 with Marriss Jansons is superb. HIs cycle is about the best there is in my opinon and this with his Oslo Phil. Karajan on DG is quite nice but I LIKE his 5 the best where the no. 3 fails to do it for me.
David Dow
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-03-12 18:55
My favorite is the 1975/1976 von Karajan/Berlin, 2 cd set of #4, #5 and #6 on DGG/Polygram #453088.
These were well thought out interpretations. Forceful when necessary but restrained and passionate at just the right places. Very sensitive playing from the BPO, especially in the winds. The strings are lush and shimmering. After 25 years these recordings are still quite impressive.
Beware: Herbert von Karajan recorded the Tchaikovsky Symphonies numerous times. The 1975/1976 set is the one to own...GBK
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2003-03-12 19:12
For the true Russian experience, nothing comes close to the Mavrinsky/Leningrad recordings of #4-6. The strings throb, the woodwinds yowl and the brasses bray. Start with the finale of #4 to be truly amazed. The tempo is off the top of the metronome (if they even had such foreign devices in Leningrad at the time).
For a less wild yet still thrilling ride, get the Reiner/Chicago 6th. Clark Brody does the solos better than anybody, and the Chicago brass section is in its glory.
I'm also fond of the Monteux/Boston 5th, in which Gino Cioffi and Manuel Valera sound like a single monster clarinet at the beginning.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-03-12 19:30
A few months ago I heard Detroit with Jarvi do Chai's 4th on NPR. In my opinion it was the best I've ever heard but I don't think it's available. I even contacted Detroit and they weren't responsive. I have to admit, though, the almost any of the Russian orchs. really put fire into Chai. Francesca always gets my blood stirring.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2003-03-12 21:30
Ted Oien in Detroit is one of the great players. I'd love to hear him to the Tchaikovsky solos.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: vin
Date: 2003-03-12 21:46
My favorite Tchiakovsky 6 by far is Ormandy with Philadelphia. The sound and emotion of the string playing is something that will stick with me forever. If you want to reshuffle your internal organs, turn on Solti/Chicago's Tchiakovsky 4, turn up the volume in the 4th movement and feel the brass playing rumble your insides. It's not my favorite Tchiak 4 but it certainly is fun.
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Author: cyso_clarinetist
Date: 2003-03-12 22:04
I have never heard of any, but perhaps Larry Combs has recorded them with the CSO. I know that there is more to an orchestra than it's clarinetists but I am partial to the CSO clarinet section's playing.
- James
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-03-13 00:05
Ken Shaw wrote:
> Ted Oien in Detroit is one of the great players. I'd love to
> hear him to the Tchaikovsky solos.
One of my son's teachers - I got to listen to him up close for a year or so (along with meeting his wonderful family). Good listening!
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-03-13 01:34
I agree with Mr. Shaw. The Mravinsky set is INCREDIBLE. I've never heard any version of 4-6 that's half as involved or exciting. I also have Szell and the LSO's #4 and Donhayahi (I know I'm spelling that wrong) and Cleveland's #6 but they feel so detatched in comparison.
However, one of my trombonist friends finds the Leningard brass painful- she says they sound "way too Russian."
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Author: msloss
Date: 2003-03-13 13:05
Ted is definitely good people. I got to know him in Denver oh so long ago. Fabulous player, great teacher and all around nice guy.
On the question of Tschaikovsky, I love the CSO/Solti series for the pure adrenaline rush of that brass section at its peak. To quote a famous Chicago denizen, "Holy Cow!". There is a Tschaik 4 they did with unbelievable horn work on the part of Clevenger and his crew, the usual ace job from the clarinet section, gorgeous sounds from Ray Still, and a ripping final movement that'll leave you sweating. The recording is digital at its worst, but more than compensated for by the performance.
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Author: vin
Date: 2003-03-13 14:24
Actually, now that I think of it, Claudio Abbado did a whole bunch of Tchiakovsky recordings with Chicago in the early 80s, including No. 2 and No. 4. These are definately worth a listen and Larry Combs (assuming it's him- it sounds like him) sounds fantastic. I always feel that orchestra was at it's best recording wise in the 80s and these recordings prove that for me. Also, worth a listen is the only recording (I read somewhere) Bernstein did with Chicago; it's a "live" recording of Shostakovich 1 and 7. As mentioned above, all there is to say his "holy --- (cow, of course).
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Author: Todd W.
Date: 2003-03-13 16:42
msloss --
"To quote a famous Chicago denizen, 'Holy Cow!'."
Would that be Mrs. O'Leary or Harey Carey?
Todd W.
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