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Author: oboe d'amour
Date: 2005-06-30 21:07
i didn't know how much i liked the baroque oboe until i recently heard one. i thought they would be reedy, honking, and unrefined but they are smooth like the modern oboe. as a matter of fact, they are a little better... just a little. instead of be flambouyant like the modern oboe they are a little more reserved and transparent... they have a secret they want to share with us but they want us to guess at; they don't just up and tell it.
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Author: hautbois
Date: 2005-07-01 11:48
have you heard paul goodwin play before? gosh he is superb. must get the vivaldi sonatas by him on baroque oboe, excellent reference and good music!
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Author: richard
Date: 2005-07-01 16:17
I've seen three baroque oboes playing Bach's Brandenburg Concerto No. 1 in a music DVD. I also saw two playing the oboe parts of Beethoven Symphony No. 6 in a live performance of the 18 Century Orchestra.
There is little tonal difference between a baroque oboe and a modern oboe as far as I can tell. However, there must be some reasons why the modern oboe is made to replace the baroque oboe.
I think the fingering of is a major reason. As far as I can observe, the player makes different notes by cross fingering on the tone holes. There are only one or two keys. This makes the fingering of some notes and trills rather difficult.
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Author: richard
Date: 2005-07-01 16:17
I've seen three baroque oboes playing Bach's Brandenburg Concerto No. 1 in a music DVD. I also saw two playing the oboe parts of Beethoven Symphony No. 6 in a live performance of the 18 Century Orchestra.
There is little tonal difference between a baroque oboe and a modern oboe as far as I can tell. However, there must be some reasons why the modern oboe is made to replace the baroque oboe.
I think the fingering of is a major reason. As far as I can observe, the player makes different notes by cross fingering on the tone holes. There are only one or two keys. This makes the fingering of some notes and trills rather difficult.
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Author: TorusTubarius
Date: 2005-07-01 19:33
Well, there is actually a huge tonal difference between the Baroque oboe and the modern oboe, but the main reason why the oboe developed as it did has to do with increased projection over increasingly larger orchestras. The Baroque oboe was really designed to play with smaller chamber groups and simply cannot compete with for example, a huge late-Romantic era orchestra. The modern oboe by contrast has a far greater ability to project and a much wider dynamic range as a whole.
The fingering is of course better on the modern oboe, but this, like the difference in tone and projection, is the result of centuries of experimentation and development. The modern oboe didn't one day suddenly replace the Baroque oboe; instead there is a clear evolution that has taken place over hundreds of years, mostly driven by both increasing orchestral size and increased demands on the player. More difficult music necessitates an oboe that allows the execution of phrases that would be nearly impossible on the Baroque oboe, and so the instrument evolved to meet the challenge.
It's also interesting to consider how the development of the oboe over time has taken shape in the various schools of thought. There are some modern oboe schools who stick to the freer sound of the Baroque oboe, and there are others who have developed a more pure and refined sound. It's funny how taste is often simply a matter of geography I guess.
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Author: Musical Lottie
Date: 2005-07-17 16:11
I prefe the tone of the Baroque oboe - in fact I was quite surpised that I could tell it sounds diffeent!
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