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Author: A.U.K 
Date:   2007-12-07 00:21





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 Re: Short fingering
Author: oboeblank 
Date:   2007-12-07 03:51

The third octave fingerings are based on overblown fifths. High C# is similar to top line F#, high D is similar to G and so on. Those fingerings are acceptable and I don't think that they are the "normal" fingerings or first fingerings you will encounter on a fingering chart but they obviously work becuase of the overblown fifth.
Sometimes those fingerings are a little wild in intonation or are unreliable in some instances so that is why they are not always taught, but in a pinch they are amazing to know. For instance the short E flat fingering: half hole, 2, 3 and left A flat is great in the last movement of the Poulenc trio: D flat major, 6 sixteenth notes CDEDCBA at a ridiculous tempo. Although a purist would say that you should use "real" fingerings, sometimes you just can't.
FYI, here is North America the C# fingering most often taught is:
2,3/ 1 and C key. Our D is: half hole, 2,3/ (2) C key-the (2) is used if the D is sharp but that can be fixed by adjusting the closure with the screw on the C key arm.

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 Re: Short fingering
Author: camille 
Date:   2007-12-07 10:37

Andrew,

Is your Loree one of the 125 year ones? If so, it'll have a 'Philadelphia' high D facilitator. And you might try the following for high D given that you're a conservatoire player -

LH

1/2
X
X
____

RH

O
O
O
+low C

Of course, there are many ways to skin this cat - just go with the fingering that's stable and sounds effortless - there's no 'right' answer. In fast passages in the Mozart you can even see Heinz Holliger playing top D with the trill key - and I'm sure nobody in the audience is any the wiser, as long as it's clean sounding!

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Author: A.U.K 
Date:   2007-12-07 12:23





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Author: A.U.K 
Date:   2007-12-07 13:15





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 Re: Short fingering
Author: Bobo 
Date:   2007-12-07 13:17

Andrew,

Going with oboeblank's standard fingerings, the easiest way to do C# to D is simply to lift RH1, in effect playing the D with lifted LH1 instead of the half-hole. There's a passage in the oboe part for Night on Bald Mountain where it really comes in handy. I agree that RH2 for high D is a stabilizing element that is sometimes rendered unnecessary by proper adjustment. I sometimes like to use it just to get a better grip on the oboe, particularly if I'm lifting LH1 for high D to enable a slur from, for example, above the staff B or A.

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 Re: Short fingering
Author: ceri 
Date:   2007-12-07 19:09

I think whether you use C or C# key for the D depends on how your oboe is linked up. I use the C key for the top D on my (conservatoire) oboe and C# on my (thumbplate) cor.

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 Re: Short fingering
Author: Bobo 
Date:   2007-12-07 19:43

Andrew has a Loree so the standard fingering is the C key for C#...I'm not sure about other brands. Andrew, to find the high D facilitator (if one's there) look for a piece of soldered metal that causes the bottom half of the split ring key (lowD) to depress when playing high D (it is linked to the C key).

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