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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2017-03-29 06:06
Hi Chris. In your fingering chart for TP Oboe that you posted here on the BB back in 2007 I see that you have the first finger (LH) off for the high notes of D Eb E and F. I've never seen that fingering for those notes before. In Anthony Baine's book these are all half holed. I've tried your fingerings and they seem to respond just fine. I"m thinking of including them in my TP chart.
Skyfacer
Post Edited (2017-03-29 06:11)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-03-29 12:29
With the top plate screwed down so it moves by just a tiny amount, you can lift LH finger 1 off instead of rolling down to uncover the aperture.
It's common practice in the UK to lift off LH1 instead of rolling down, but the top plate has to be adjusted so it barely opens and adjusted so the altissimo C# and D speak easily. You do lose the open C# fingering which can be overlooked as the tone quality of that note isn't great.
The only note it may have an effect on with some oboes is altissimo E where the LH1 fingerplate should be fully open, but it will still work with the top plate screwed down almost closed on most oboes.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2017-03-29 13:32
Thanks Chris. Noted. I never heard of this before. I figure that it would also simplify the fingerings for these high notes as well.
Skyfacer
Post Edited (2017-03-29 15:17)
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2017-03-30 06:26
Hi Chris. I've included your variation of fingering for the high notes as a comment in my chart.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2017-03-30 07:31
When I started learning the oboe, the first thing my teacher, Sal Spano, did was to lower the LH1 key so that those high notes could be played with the LH finger one off on certain high notes.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-03-30 10:32
When I was working at Howarth I set up thumbplate system and dual system instruments so the LH1 top plate was screwed down so it barely moved. I set up pure conservatoire systems with the top plate fully open, so it was up to the player to either leave it as is or to close it down.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-03-31 19:30
Attachment: splittopplate.jpg (57k)
Attachment: fixedtopplate.jpg (55k)
And on cors anglais, if you prefer to lift LH1 rather than roll down, a fixed top plate would suit you better than a split top plate. See attachments.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2017-04-01 01:45
Now that is interesting Chris. The Alto Oboe (English Horn) is an instrument that I"ve always dreamed of owning but with my age (72) it's not gonna happen. But I am studying the English Thumb Plate Oboe , mainly the Howarth S2 type quite seriously at the moment. Going back to this system after using a Dual System Oboe (S55c) since 2004 has rejuvenated my Oboe playing. The S2 is , in my opinion , easier to play as it has less resistance. It's much lighter in not being cluttered by excessive mechanism. And it is more 'reed friendly'. .Because of all this I hope to be playing Oboe till I"m 80 (hopefully) Oh, and I"ve gone back to making my own reeds again. (from the gouged and shaped stage)
Skyfacer
Post Edited (2017-04-01 01:46)
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Author: JohnW
Date: 2017-04-05 05:21
Chris, I'm a little confused by the terminology. When you say the top plate do you mean the uppermost half of the split plate ( LH1).
I was taught to roll LH1 up and down over the split to cover/uncover the half hole notes. I have a Kreuil Miraphone cor that looks just like your picture of the split key.
Thanks for the insights,
John
JohnW
amateur adult beginner, oboe and cor
www.OboeHobo.com
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-04-05 17:23
It is confusing as the lower part of the split top plate is directly linked to and controls the venting of the pad cup which is effectively the top plate as you'd have on oboes.
Only it is covered by the upper part of the top plate on split top plate cors. d'amores and bass oboes which is effectively an extension of your LH index fingertip to cover/uncover just the aperture in the pad cup. On cors with a fixed top plate, the pad cup is completely independent from the top plate and the top plate covers/uncovers the aperture by lowering/raising LH finger 1...
Confused? Me too!
Far easier to demonstrate than explain.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: JohnW
Date: 2017-04-05 18:54
I believe I follow that. Will get the horn out later today and have a close look.
Thanks,
John
JohnW
amateur adult beginner, oboe and cor
www.OboeHobo.com
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