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Author: claire70
Date: 2011-08-09 20:57
So I'm going to be playing The Rite of Spring in November, rehearsals start next month. I remember there is some flutter-tonguing in it, which I have never mastered. Can anyone give me some tips? I can roll my tongue fantastically while I'm playing but it seems to make absolutely no difference to the sound of the note. It just sounds louder and a bit raucous. I've tried experimenting with putting my tongue in slightly different places in relation to the reed, as much as I can, but it doesn't seem to make any difference.
Advice welcomed! I would give it up as an impossible task, but I used to think that about double tonguing too and I have got the hang of that now, so this is my next challenge...
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Author: jhoyla
Date: 2011-08-10 08:47
The further forward in your mouth you can roll, the more difference it will make. Also - just for this, and for double-tonguing, spread your embouchure (smile) and close your jaw a little.
[Why? all of the above make the "working volume" of your mouth smaller. Oboe is a high-pressure instrument and the inside of your mouth is very flexible, "springy", and dampens the flutter effect of the tongue before it can affect the reed. The smaller the working volume of air in your mouth, the greater relative effect the flutter-tonguing has.]
Remember - you are not trying to sound good here - the raucous effect is what the composer is asking for. Do your worst!
J.
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Author: pliscapoivre
Date: 2011-08-10 15:04
Maybe this, from Jackie Leclair's site, will help:
http://nuoboe.com/html/fluttertongue.html
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Author: claire70
Date: 2011-08-10 15:22
Thanks, that looks really helpful. I will go and digest the instructions thoroughly!
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Author: claire70
Date: 2011-08-16 20:28
Okay, next question! I have started working on this now. I think I'm slowly getting my tongue to roll at the right place, quite far forward. The Jackie Leclair site says that I have to keep my tongue still against my lower teeth though, which I'm finding pretty hard - it feels like my reed is in the way. Is this bit crucial, or is it just vaguely aspirational?! If I do think I manage to get my tongue in the right place, then I have trouble just getting the note to speak...
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Author: pliscapoivre
Date: 2011-08-16 21:00
Claire,
I don't think that I keep the tongue against the lower teeth myself. I do find that the note can be rather flat when flutter-tonguing as the embouchure has to be relatively loose... I feel like my lower lip is almost coming off the reed sometimes. I don't know if this is helpful, and I am not as good at it as Jackie is! You might email her and ask her.
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Author: ozden
Date: 2011-08-19 01:18
Try practising on a recorder. When you get the sound even, flutter tongue as hard as you can to get every flutter to sound out without breaks. After you have the sound you want, try the exact thing on the oboe.
http://physicsoboereed.blogspot.com
Post Edited (2011-08-19 01:27)
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Author: claire70
Date: 2011-08-19 20:20
Oh, I have no problem on a recorder, or on a flute. I used to play both to quite a high standard before oboe took over. I just can't do it on oboe - or rather, I can do something which *I* can hear in my head, but seems to make no difference to the actual sound coming out that everyone else can hear, at all.
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