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Author: GoodWinds ★2017
Date: 2011-08-07 20:47
an 'egg-shaped bell' could mean an oboe d'amore...
I look forward to hearing from Chris P and Peter Hurd on THIS one!
GoodWinds
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Author: RobinDesHautbois
Date: 2011-08-07 22:18
How much?
I'm not convinced it's old at all, but it's really intriguing. It reminds me of those fife replicas (that actually play) that you can buy at old Fort-Henry (around Toronto). They were actually sold in music stores too: the idea was to reproduce at very reduced cost instruments from the days of colonization.
This instrument does not loot like that at all. Old oboes had tiny finger holes because the bores were also very small. The keywork looks like it was made with modern tools: but you need this confirmed by ChrisP and/or Heckelmaniac.
The pear-shape bell does not mean d'amore (unless you consider the name "d'amore bell" which I have seen in books). Generally, this looks like an introduction instrument and I'm not sure it's meant to be played with our very small modern oboe reeds.
If it is what I think, I really love these "simple" instruments that are really designed for simple harmony repertoire so anyone can more easily play almost anything from traditional repertoires (including the very speedy Irish and French gigues). If I weren't saving for a d'amore, I'd buy it right now!
I would ask around Germany, Spain, Romnia and Hungary if such instruments are still part of the folklore: it's amazing how much their "amateur" instrumentation is so many times richer than ours.... our "freedom" of commercial capitalism appears to have resulted in a significant loss of culture!
MAY I POST THESE PICTURES ON FACEBOOK? There are a couple of international double reed groups that might know something about it.
SUPER-COOL!
Robin Tropper
M.A.Sc., B.Mus., B.Ed.
http://RobinDesHautbois.blogspot.ca/music
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Author: tfriedle
Date: 2011-08-07 22:25
Very interesting instrument! At 14 inches long, I think it would be some kind of musette.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-08-07 22:41
That's definitely a musette - an old simple system one which shows how it evolved from being a bagpipe chanter (where the name musette comes from and hence the large toneholes, thumb hole and wide bore) into a small oboe, but not as sophisticated as the musettes being made by Loree or Marigaux which have almost full conservatoire system keywork. I had a brief go on one like this in a music shop in Cherbourg years ago - it was part of the owner's private collections.
There have been several of these old style musettes listed on eBay, usually in France or Spain.
Bung a reed in and give it a go!
Just found a photo of one in this Wikipaedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oboe_musette
And look up photos of small oboes here too (copy&paste the link):
http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/ubl/uble1.html#uble1s
Not to be outdone as small oboes go, there are smaller oboes still - the 'hautbois pastoral' is pitched in Ab (same as a fife or Highland bagpipe chanter, although they're said to be in Bb as that's the note that issues when six finger D is played) and the only instrument of this size still in use is the bombarde which is still played alongside bagpipes in Britanny. You'll find loads of bombardes for sale on you-know-where!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
Independent Woodwind Repair Specialist
Oboes, Clarinets and Saxes
NOT A MEMBER OF N.A.M.I.R.
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2011-08-07 23:44)
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Author: OboeFrance
Date: 2011-08-16 20:22
Hi Jess,
your instrument is an oboe picolo.
Bilt around the end of 19th century.
I've got few similar instrument in my own collection.
If you have any question, you can ask me...
Regards
Dominique
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Author: richyedd
Date: 2011-10-25 01:05
i just got a musste oboe.... but i did not expected that were the oboe reed goes the hole is to big.......how come i heard a normal reed will do it.
need help can this be fix or what to do? any info will be great thanks
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Author: richyedd
Date: 2011-10-25 01:07
my mussete were the reed goes is to big for the modern reed? any info on this?
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Author: Jeltsin
Date: 2011-10-25 06:28
Half a year ago I was singing in concert with lots of balalaikas and suddently a guy picked up a piccolo-oboe and it produced a marvelous sound. Does somebody know where I can buy one?
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Author: jhoyla
Date: 2011-10-25 13:19
@richyedd
Eddie, you could try wrapping Plumber's Tape (Teflon tape, PTFE) round the cork of a regular reed to seal it. Count the number of wraps you need, then you won't be guessing next time.
J.
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Author: RobinDesHautbois
Date: 2011-10-26 10:30
I've also managed to get English Horn reeds in my oboe (just to see what would happen if...) by wrapping lots of reed binding trhead and smearing lots of cork grease.
This is good if too much teflon (plumber's) tape is required. But it can damage the cork of your staple.
Robin Tropper
M.A.Sc., B.Mus., B.Ed.
http://RobinDesHautbois.blogspot.ca/music
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Author: Xanstar
Date: 2011-10-27 15:48
That is definitely a very old oboe. Are there any markings or numbers on in? If so, you might be able to find out if it's worth anything. If nothing else, a collector might want it. It's hard to tell for sure by the pictures, but it looks like it might be rosewood. That would probably raise the value.
Without seeing it in person, I can't even make a guess as to the value. But like i said, if you can find any words or numbers on it, you'll have a much better idea of its age and worth.
Good luvk,
Suzanne
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Author: L
Date: 2011-10-29 13:17
with regard to the reeds, in the nouveau prix-courant (1862) cork staples were advertised as new.
as musette were popular before that (c.1830's) then i'd imagine you'd have to use thread lapping instead (where instead of having cork, you bind the end of the staple in loads and loads of the usual reedmaking thread until it's thick enough for the hole).
also as it's a small instrument, surely the reeds will be smaller... worth working out what it should be pitched at. in france, A435 was enforced by the government in 1859 if that helps.
it may not be that old, it could be a replica instrument. also, they were (surprisingly) still sold as new up until the 1930's.
the wood used previous to the 19th century was boxwood. there was a lot of experimentation and then they tried rosewood (probably in this case) and then later grenadilla.
hope some of that is useful...
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