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Author: JRC
Date: 2011-07-28 14:38
Very good find! Very musical... Is French style oboe playing evolving?
Interesting! Was she translating French into French?
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Author: A.U.K
Date: 2011-07-28 17:22
JRC wrote.... "Is French Style Oboe Playing Evolving"
I would dare to suggest that French Oboe Playing is at its peak !
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Author: HautboisJJ
Date: 2011-07-29 06:00
The European players have never stopped evolving. Gone are the days of Goosens, Pierlot, Stotijn and Koch!
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Author: mjfoboe
Date: 2011-07-29 12:02
Here is a very subjective and limited observation.
Recently at a student recital - I noticed the two students (one graduated from the program and continued on) who studied at a famous pre-college oboe program in NYC sounded alike (homogenized). They played Loree Oboes and all had the same tonal quality and core sound.
From my point of view, although the sound was very "stable" in its core - it lacked warmth and personality.
The other students in the program played on a Loree's and other Oboes ... yet, each had a more distinct personalized sound.
I wonder if in the "Famous Schools" there is a preferred sound ... I know they ask their students to only play Loree Oboes.
Personally, although the pre-college students had a good sound and perfect pitch stability - I still felt their tone lacked the elasticity that was very present in David Walter's playing.
Mark
Post Edited (2011-07-29 12:03)
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Author: A.U.K
Date: 2011-07-29 12:40
Well I cannot comment on a preferred sound in the USA and I know you have a constant debate over the "Philidelphia Sound" and the "Cleveland Sound" but I am slightly horrified to read that the "Famous Schools" as you refer to them ask their students to only play Loree Oboes..that simply wouldn't happen in Europe..Marigaux, Loree, Rigoutat, Howarth are all seen regularly at the Academys here..its such a personal thing, and not everyone likes the same as everyone else. And isn't it good advice from Peter Hurd who says "Buy the Oboe and not the Name"
..As an interesting little point, Rigoutat are very popular in France but not so much here in England though we do have players who use them including my first teacher, Howarths are very popular here and are seen a lot not that I have ever played one.. Equally I don't think I have ever seen or heard a Laubin or Hinneker who are by all reports and by the reviews I have read here the Holy Grail of Oboes in the USA, the waiting list alone bears testament to that.
I know Loree are very popular in the USA but for a conservatoire to insist that people play them is a bit strong, mind you Alain will be thrilled. Surely It all comes down to what is available at the time and what suits the player.
Andrew
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Author: JRC
Date: 2011-07-29 13:42
"Gone are the days of Goosens, Pierlot, Stotijn and Koch!" -- Howard
True! How sad! Oboists used to play music. Now most play oboe, especially in America. I miss them. But there still are few; Kwak, Doherty, ...
I was very surprised to hear David Walter sounds much like Mayer, Daniels, Leleux, and even some American players...
Where did bright fruity sweet sound go, that is ready to express music? Is Holiger the last of the French sound?
Post Edited (2011-07-29 14:00)
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Author: A.U.K
Date: 2011-07-29 16:40
I think you will find that some of it has to do with the modern Oboes being thicker walled the sound is more dedicated..I used to play a standard Loree and that was far lighter and sweeter in tone..My Royale is completely different. Also consider that reed styles were very different back in Goosens/Koch day..its far less individual I agree and thats not necessarily for the better but it seems to be the same the world over..Individuality is not encouraged it seems..
Andrew
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