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Author: mjfoboe
Date: 2011-04-03 11:33
After many reeds ....................... and improved embouchure and a wonderful tuned Oboe I have come to the conclusion that reed pitch stability is very much associated with the shape of the touching blades and reed opening after tying the cane to the staple.
I noticed that when the can forms a certain arch - oval - as a shape on the staple (opening cutting the tip) the success for a very good reed becomes more assured.
Thoughts ............... Maybe we take tying the cane and cane selection as less important than the scrape etc ................ I think not! I find that tying is the first and most important crucial step.
Which brings up many questions on the most important factors in tying the cane to the staple - a process which seems realtively straight forward.
(By the way I do not intentionally overlap my reeds. If there is an overlap it is quite minimal.)
The reed with the proper tie and arch has the stability to play with a relaxed (forward) embouchure with pitch stability.
Thoughts on this observation?!?
Mark
Post Edited (2011-04-03 17:18)
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Author: RobinDesHautbois
Date: 2011-04-03 12:46
You're completely right to suggest we need to give more importance to binding! (I just find the word tying gets me tongue-tied!)
MANY of my reeds play almost wonderfully except that they are chocked with an overlap. If I try to undo the overlap by inserting a placque, twisting and securing with cellophane: sure, the choke goes away, but instability becomes an understatement!
Normally, well tied (no overlap, no thread past the end of the staple) play wit excellent stability, if I didn't mess-up the scraping: thinner gouge helps with that. Though I try hard not to, some reeds get bound a half wind after the staple end: murder!
Strangely, I have had some reeds that separate (cane was not flat) but after playing a few minutes to soften them up, they are great.
Why my gum heals enough (post wisdom-tooth extraction) I will try reeds bound using that "cane guide" gadget. Hopefully it will help as much as the claims because for me, overlapping just weakens the reed.
http://f.rousson.free.fr/leguideroseau/
Robin Tropper
M.A.Sc., B.Mus., B.Ed.
http://RobinDesHautbois.blogspot.ca/music
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Author: GoodWinds ★2017
Date: 2011-04-03 14:44
I agree that the 'tie' is VERY important. Probably more important (to me) than the length of staple, or the metal used in the staple, or the overall length of the reed when finally Done.
Probably being old-fashioned, I want to tie my reeds entirely by hand, and examine every turn of the thread. I look at the reed sideways, longways, every way possible to ensure that it's symmetrical. Still, I end up with a few 'abnormals' and these... tend to leak or pose problems.
I seldom overlap; most of the time, I find I don't need to.
The arch has somewhat to do with the gouge and type of cane used (not to mention the shape). But you're right, if you have a decent 'oval' shape once you cut the tip, it's a GOOD sign.
GoodWinds
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Author: Oboe Craig
Date: 2011-04-03 22:38
I prefer a slight overlap when tying on the cane. I tie to close, meaning sides close about 1/2 to 1 wrap before the tube end.
I do not tie to length because I find differing diameters of cane act differently, and I get better and more consistent stability doing it this way.
When tying, I start 5-7 thread widths short of the staple's top end (usually FF thread) wind a few turns, then ensure cane alignment on the staple. Then I wind the thread up by turning the mandrel backwards in my left hand. This motion literally screws the thread up the cane, and closes its sides slowly in a manner easy to observe. And this technique tends to prevent cracks while tying.
I apply more tension, already pretty tight from the start as I progress up the tube using the screwing motion.
Once happy with the alignment and closure, and slight overlap, I reverse directions, cross over and wind thread down to the cork, keeping very tight tension on the thread. Tight almost to the breaking point. If I tie more than 6 reeds a day, the thread will cut into my fingers. I mean really tight.
Tight in 2 ways. Pulled tight from the thread anchor on a desk drawer handle with my left mandrel hand (drawer secured from below by my knee) and ensuring the entire arc of thread wrapping the reed remains equally as tight throughout the winding process. I test that by plucking the thread like a guitar string a few times as I wind. (I'd have to check to see the length and pitch for sure, but its a high tone.)
Since I started doing this, my pitch stability, tip opening, etc., have improved dramatically.
My 2.5 - 3 cents worth...:)
Addendum:
I always do a rough tip scrape and open the cane immediately after tying.
I almost always do a light scrape of the back first, back through heart and tip as one minimal level of scrape, then thin the tip, clip it open and set the offset by slipping the blade. It produces a slight click when the reed's blades slip to the offset.
Later, the blades can be nudged to more slipped or less slipped positions. Young reeds tend to a bit flat on low d's and below and a little more slip helps. Later they close down and come up in pitch. Then reducing the overlap settles down the pitch and usually improves the overall tone.
Increased overlap nudges happen close to the staple's top and a little goes a long way.
Reduced overlap nudges happen a little higher, below mid-length of the reed and resemble replacinging a water bottle's top 1/4 turn. A gentle massaging motion and followed by a mid reed squeeze on the sides of the reed to make the tip opening yawn and then relax again.
Post Edited (2011-04-04 02:28)
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Author: myoboe
Date: 2011-04-04 12:16
Thanks for the detailed explanation, will be very useful if you can take a video of it with step by step explanation and put it up Youtube. It will help tremendously.
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Author: GoodWinds ★2017
Date: 2011-04-04 16:02
I like your terminology: TIGHT, then 'nudging' the overlap according to how the reed is functioning. 'a gentle massaging motion'... sigh.
'make the tip opening yawn'. Are you sure you're not a closet poet Craig?
GoodWinds
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Author: Oboe Craig
Date: 2011-04-04 17:37
I like words. Actually, all my corporate career the word skills turned out to be more important than my technical skills, both in value to my employers and to my own advancements.
Words are fun to play with, to rant with on Face Book and sometimes when carefully crafted to really communicate well.
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