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Author: winders
Date: 2008-06-15 14:21
Is there any system of oboes, like clarinet there are French and German.?
thank you
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-06-15 15:59
There are several oboe systems, the most widespread system in use today is the Gillet Conservatoire system (made by Loree in 1906) which is played pretty much worldwide http://howarth.uk.com/pic.aspx?pic=./wo/Marigaux901Ob.jpg&pid=35218.
The conservatoire system (so named as it was the system adopted by the Paris Conservatiore in 1881 - Triebert System 6) originally had ring keys, but Loree and Gillet worked together on the design of the plateau model which gives better trills (most of which involve trilling with only one finger) with all the interlinked keywork and perforated fingerplates.
Like German system clarinets, the higher you go up in price, the more keywork and features you get on oboes.
An older system is the thumbplate system (Triebert System 5 from 1849) which has lingered on in the UK and spread across the countries that were part of the British Empire, though is now only really seen on student and older pro models (Loree, Louis, B&H and Howarth), and some Eurpoean companies (eg. Schreiber and Orsi) still make them specially for the UK market http://howarth.uk.com/pic.aspx?pic=./wo/HowarthS20.jpg&pid=35102.
Though most pro model oboes available in the UK are Gillet conservatoire system with an added thumbplate to make them Dual system http://www.clarinetperfection.com/galleryclar/Keywork/CP2/19.jpg so both thumbplate and conservatoire fingerings can be used http://howarth.uk.com/pic.aspx?pic=./wo/Marig2001TP.jpg&pid=35221.
In Germany and East Europe, the ring key conservatoire system with fully automatic octave keys was the main instrument http://www.puchner.com/en/oboen/30_gross.php, though the Gillet model with automatic octaves is now the main instrument in use http://howarth.uk.com/pic.aspx?pic=./wo/HowarthXLAutoCocoGold.jpg&pid=566745 http://howarth.uk.com/pic.aspx?pic=./wo/HowarthS40Auto.jpg&pid=35123.
In the UK, there were thumbplate system oboes built with fully automatic octave keys as well, though it is possible to have dual system with fully automatic octave keys as well.
Then there's the Vienna oboe (or 'Wiener oboe' if you want to use the Latin) which harks back to the Germanic oboes of the 1800s, and is still being played in Viennese orchestras http://iwk.mdw.ac.at/Forschung/deutsch/wrinst/wroboe1.htm.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-06-15 16:09)
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Author: hautbois
Date: 2008-06-15 16:53
Chris -- Your thoughtful replies never cease to amaze me.
Elizabeth
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Author: JRJINSA
Date: 2008-06-16 02:27
It's a blessing to have someone on the board who is so passionate. Thank you Chris.
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Author: stevensfo
Date: 2008-06-16 06:16
..... "http://howarth.uk.com/pic.aspx?pic=./wo/HowarthXLAutoCocoGold.jpg&pid=566745"....
Chris, I do wish you would warn us before posting pictures of cocobolo oboes with gold-plated keys.
Some of us have work to do and cannot spend all day staring at their screen and drooling! ;-)
Steve
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Author: triplereed
Date: 2008-06-30 14:20
Last but not least, never forget the Prestini system!
This spinoff from the Gillet A6 "Conservatoire", developed by the famed Italian oboist Giuseppe Prestini, has been the standard system here in Italy until the last two or three decades.
It's basically a Gillet with covered keys and the usual trills; the main difference is that the low B key is is transferred from the left pinky to the right thumb. Its touchpiece is actually shaped like the first speaker's, and faces it from beneath the top-to-middle joint. To the leftover touchpiece from the left pinky 'butterfly' group is then assigned a very useful left C# duplicate, thus eliminating the auxiliary «banana key» which allows thre low C / C# trill on the commoner Conservatoire oboes.
The Prestini system has its pros and cons. Any opinion on them?
If music was an apple, I'd be the snake
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Author: PrincessJ
Date: 2011-03-27 21:15
Yeah... Chris ruined me for other oboes of it's kind now. Thanks a lot.
And let's not forget the older Triebert-Systeme 3 oboes? I don't hear often about those. None of Chris's links depicted exactly what I've been staring at all day.
-Jenn
Circa 1940s Zebra Pan Am
1972 Noblet Paris 27
Leblanc Bliss 210
1928 Selmer Full Boehm in A
Amateur tech, amateur clarinetist, looking to learn!
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Author: GoodWinds ★2017
Date: 2011-03-27 22:36
I want to know what "triple reed" is about. Are you a Doubler? No need to answer if it's too trivial, I was just curious...
GoodWinds
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Author: heckelmaniac
Date: 2011-03-28 03:54
Prestini system is actually cool.
It has a left C# where the B key would be on a Conservatory system.
Low B is actuated by a left thumb lever. You can trill low B-Bb easily.
I find it easy to change between Conservatory and Prestini system oboes.
And having a left C# on any oboe is a blessing.
I am always amazed that high end professional model oboes do not come standard with a left C# key inboard of the left F. I can not imagine that it would cost much more to make a left C# than the (near useless in my opinion) "banana key."
I have a Hiniker oboe with a left C#. I never hit this key when aiming for the left F. The left C# is amazingly handy at times. For instance, a left C# makes playing the 2nd movement of the Bax Quintet so much easier.
Oboes.us
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Author: huboboe
Date: 2011-03-30 07:32
Hey, you can have your cake and eat it, too - my first 'real' oboe, Lorée GG38, made around 1910, had a LH C# alongside the LH F, the usual B and Bb on the left and an auxiliary low C under the thumb rest, which was raised on a block.
It also had a semi-automatic octave key, rollers between the low C and Eb and a thumbplate as well as the RH 1st finger bridge key.
How's THAT for bling?
Robert Hubbard
WestwindDoubleReed.com
1-888-579-6020
bob@westwinddoublereed.com
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Author: JRC
Date: 2011-03-30 15:33
I am wishing for a system with F and C fingerings that make sense.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-03-30 15:42
You mean Saxophone fingerings? Don't we all! That way we can ONLY blame the reed!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: huboboe
Date: 2011-03-31 01:13
Thank God for the reed scapegoat. Where would we be without it?
Robert Hubbard
WestwindDoubleReed.com
1-888-579-6020
bob@westwinddoublereed.com
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