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 Karajan's oboes
Author: RobinDesHautbois 
Date:   2011-02-12 12:20

For a short while, I had recordings of Schubert's symphonies by the Berlin Philharmonic under Karajan. I was struck by the oboes: modern sound, but a nice open and "contrary of shrill" quality.... chocolatey, but less like Cadbury Milk and more like the new Lindt 85% cocoa +salt or +chili!!!

Does anyone know who were the oboists there back then? Would anyone know what instruments they played?

Thanks

Robin Tropper
M.A.Sc., B.Mus., B.Ed.
http://RobinDesHautbois.blogspot.ca/music

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 Re: Karajan's oboes
Author: Alphons 
Date:   2011-02-12 12:51

Could be that Lothar Koch played a Püchner oboe.

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 Re: Karajan's oboes
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2011-02-12 15:00

Berlin Phil/von Karajan are always my first choice when it comes to recordings of Romantic-era symphonies.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Karajan's oboes
Author: GoodWinds 2017
Date:   2011-02-12 16:57

the sound you describe is sort of what I've been heading toward: something with a tiny bit of 'edge', NOT shrill, but "warm" as opposed to pure "dark". I'll date myself if I tell you who I've listened to...

I'm just so GLAD there are a variety of sounds possible with the oboe.
Makes life and music much more interesting.

GoodWinds

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 Re: Karajan's oboes
Author: RobinDesHautbois 
Date:   2011-02-14 14:07

I did get some information from a reed place in Berlin:

Lothar Koch was Solo-Oboe for years, he played Püchner. It is reported that
he played reeds that nobody else could play as they were very very hard...

Robin Tropper
M.A.Sc., B.Mus., B.Ed.
http://RobinDesHautbois.blogspot.ca/music

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 Re: Karajan's oboes
Author: HautboisJJ 
Date:   2011-02-14 16:01

And you then understand why people don't play reeds like that anymore when you hear his staccato in his recording of the Mozart quartet....

Howard

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 Re: Karajan's oboes
Author: JRC 
Date:   2011-02-15 18:02

Koch was one of the most successful transformers of oboe sound for modern orchestra from that of traditional French school, which was the dominance force at the time. Others were Tabuteau and later extremes of Gomberg brothers. But the sound dictates and allows the range of musical expressions. What is good for orchestra is not necessarily good for solo and chamber music settings. Holliger may not be the best fit for orchestra setting but no one exceeds his range of musical expressions and his sense of music.

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