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Author: Dutchy
Date: 2008-11-20 22:29
I thought it would be cool to learn to play this, with the nifty oboe solo at the beginning. So I ordered a conductor full score (this one here) (which is what I do, and then I write out the oboe part in Finale Notepad--presto! instant oboe part)...only to find that it omits the oboe solo.
Bwah?
And browsing around on Youtube, I find that yep, some performances omit the oboe solo, and some include it. And it doesn't seem to be a "youth orchestra vs. real orchestra" thing, either, because there are high school orchestras including it.
So, what's up with that? Is it just an issue of not having an oboe that can play it? Or is there some deeper tradition at work here?
And, can anybody point me to the correct conductor-full-score edition that's, like, the "real" version, with the oboe solo, that doesn't cost $60 for the complete score and parts? Or even just the oboe part, although I doubt whether that's available.
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Author: johnt
Date: 2008-11-21 01:50
The Vade Mecum has this solo in it. As I recall, when the orchestra I play in did this piece a couple of years ago, the conductor wanted the oboe solo & the only source we both knew of was the Vade Mecum. It was not part & parcel of the score from which we played.
Best,
john
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Author: hautbois
Date: 2008-11-21 13:14
Kalmus has the score for $30 and the oboe part, sold separately, for $2.50 in its 2008-9 catalog. (Neiweg and Bradburd, arrangers) This is the edition from which I have performed the solo.
Elizabeth
Post Edited (2008-11-21 13:17)
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Author: HautboisJJ
Date: 2008-11-22 08:10
Terrible solo.......i will never forget it for the rest of my life....
Howard
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-11-22 13:13
Large downward slurred intervals?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Dutchy
Date: 2008-11-22 16:48
I dunno, I haven't seen the music yet. Would that be the reason why some performances omit it, because it's really difficult?
I have a version in one of my Blaine Edlefsen method books, just the solo itself a capella, but it's in the key of C and isn't *that* hard, just an interesting little exercise in careful slurring. Picture of it. If you transpose this into the Key of F, is it suddenly really hard?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-11-22 17:34
Most recordings I've heard have the oboist playing the semiquaver Es very short - almost like grace notes. Being a cadenza, you're free to play it how you like.
One word - exotic (or if you drop your Ts - ex-o'-ic with a glottal stop).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-11-22 17:36)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-11-22 20:09
What? With the 'Ahem' in it (just after 19 seconds)?
Not exactly the best time for someone to clear their throat.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-11-23 17:42)
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Author: HautboisJJ
Date: 2008-11-23 16:48
I performed this is in a concert tour of around 10 concerts.....i must say......every single time was nerve wrecking...you come in on the high A, which is just scary for intonation if the reed is not doing the job on that day...then you have the problem of having to do it expressively in one breath...and those downward slurs...perfect legato and an extremely flexible reed is required...i hit it spot on maybe 4 out of 10 times....something different happens every single time! I am not professional, but i am sure i can say this on behalf of people who are, that if one is going to perform this, a lot and a lot of disciplined preparation is to be done!
Howard
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Author: vboboe
Date: 2008-11-23 17:51
... off the topic of specific music piece, but commenting on very scary entrances, my current cliff-hanger for upcoming local concert is a high C totally exposed entry, that cantabile down-slurred 'sigh' from Cavalleria Rusticana intermezzo -- and it's off beat too -- after all that beautiful pp string intro
... my entrance is marked p but my original attempts at p weren't loud enough so i've got to really boost it just right -- intonation, ack!!! and enough air pressure resonance with gentle vibrato so it floats in out of the ethereals ...
... and thank goodness it's written in F, any more sharps or flats would finger fumble into a series of incoherant bleeps
... i keep imagining i'm trying to sing my oboe something like Sarah Brightman
... and yah! each rehearsal it's come out differently, omigosh, first performance of three start next week
... i'm praying it won't be first on the playlist which none of us know the order exactly until next week, and i do hope i'll get some warmups in the high register with something else first
... and i have to make & blow in some lively new reeds this week
yes, the Bacchanale sample sounds delightfully exotic, thanks for mentioning it dutchy, have to pursue getting that for myself, plus Pan, plus Escales, and Scheherazade, and although Aranjuez belongs to E Horn solo work, maybe lower register oboe could do a fair rendition just for fun
each Christmas season i pull out a simplified version of Arabian Dance from Nutcracker and snake the slurs bellywise, lots of fun
... does Vade Mecum have any of these?
How about other titles in the 'exotic' category in VM?
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Author: hautbois
Date: 2008-11-23 18:43
vboboe -- you might try adding an additional finger for stability. On my oboe, adding right hand e flat helped stabilize the high C, so that I never had to think twice about it. Others use the low C key instead. And another alternative to try is adding the second and third finger of the right hand (e.g., the fingers which depress the keys for E and D).
Elizabeth
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Author: vboboe
Date: 2008-11-24 03:40
... awesome reminder, do that with Eb already, and yeah, will experiment with C, E &/or D too, maybe it'll depend on the reed which works best, thanks for the tip :-)
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