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Author: :-)
Date: 2002-07-30 17:29
BG standard vs BG Revelation vs BG Super Revelation - any comments?
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Author: ChattyClar
Date: 2002-07-30 17:42
Get the Revelation. The difference between the Super Revelation and the Revelation (other than about 10 bucks) is that the super has a green string and the other has a red. No difference in sound.
I play on a BG and it is the best ligature I've ever played on. Great depth, easy staccato, dark, warm, centered. Similar to Rovner, but better.
Mike~
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Author: shawn
Date: 2002-07-30 21:57
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the super has gold plated metal with a green string, while the other is nickel plated with a red string.
-shawn
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Author: William
Date: 2002-07-30 23:13
Tryed them, do not like them (or the Rovners) on any clarinet or sax mouthpiece. VanDoran Optimum--parallel rail insert--is my choice.
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Author: earl thomas
Date: 2002-07-30 23:36
I sugest trying the Spriggs "Floating Rail" ligature. It is really great for control, response, etc.
Just a suggestion.
E.T.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-07-31 00:22
Beware of slippage with the BG ligatures.
I did give them a fair try, but could not feel secure with them as I never felt that I could get them tight enough on the mouthpiece so that the reed would not shift out of position. More than once in orchestra, when making a quick mouthpiece change between clarinets the ligature would slip off - thus necessitating using two mouthpiece/reed set-ups.
On a crystal mouthpiece (which is my primary mouthpiece) the slippage was too frequent to even deal with.
There are numerous other ligatures that will accomplish (or surpass) the goal of the BG...GBK
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Author: John Gibson
Date: 2002-07-31 03:04
GBK is dead on. Tried them and on crystals....forget it! Same with Rovner Eddie Daniels. The Vandoren Optimum is great. Tell you what I've just "discovered" is the Oleg ligature. Man is it a great lig! Like string but metal. You know those things made with nails and you place your hand in them and it leaves the imprint exactly? That's the way the Oleg "wraps" the reed. Gives great holding power to the reed and yet blows free and easy. They are great!! Also have a Harrison which is nice on my wooden MPC. But, guess what?
One of the best ligs I have is an old Leblanc. the one that has the "L" cut out on the back. May be that as we quest for better equipment....we might want to look at the old standards first. The old nickel silver double screw (non-inverted) ones. I mean what did
Shaw...Goodman...and all the greats play on? Just regular ligs. Of course in the pics we see they were "touting" their "endorsements".
Bottom line....WHAT WORKS FOR YOU????????????
John Gibson
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-07-31 04:10
John...The "older" (first generation) Rovner Eddie Daniels ligatures work fine (no slippage) with the crystal mouthpiece because the 8 ribs that grip the mouthpiece were made of rubberized fabric.
As soon as Rovner produced the second generation (and possibly subsequent) models, the 8 inside ribs were changed to hard plastic, thus the slippage began - especially on crystal mouthpieces.
I spoke to Rovner about this problem, and he (they) suggested adding masking tape (!) to the inside of the ligature to stop the slippage.
I eventually gave the newer version ligature to a student, but still use the older one from time to time...GBK
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Author: LaLa
Date: 2002-07-31 12:45
I love my BG revelation. It does have a tendency to slip when switching between my A and Bb clarinets, however, not frequently enough in my experience to stop using it. I find that if i grip the ligature and the mouthpiece together and place a firm thumb on the flat part of the lig. where the reed and lig touch i don't have slippage. ChattyClar was right on about it's playing characteristics. I've been playing on my for a year now and love it. In the end though the decision is yours.
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Author: beejay
Date: 2002-07-31 12:52
John, I agree with you about the Oleg ligature, but boy it makes a mess of the mouthpiece. I've solved the problem by gluing a couple of pieces of chamois level onto the parts where the screws go. I found the sound a bit too bright for the clarinet. However, it sounds very good on my basset horn. I prefer the Spriggs ligature, and if it came with a cap that fitted decently, it would be perfect. I also think highly of the plastic Lyuben ligature.
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Author: Stéphane
Date: 2002-07-31 13:32
I use the super revelation (indeed the gold plated with a green string) and I love it. I agree with ChattyClar comments. The only thing is, when I put the cap on, my horn looks like Darth Vador! Ta.ta.ta...ta..tata.ta..tata...
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2002-07-31 17:26
Darth Vader's opposite is the all-transparent setup Giora Feidman sometimes uses -- a clear plastic Buffet (a B-12, I think), crystal mouthpiece, Luyben clear plastic ligature and Legere reed. There's a photo at http://www.klezmer.de/D_Klezmer/D_Gruppen/D_Feidman/d_feidman.html>.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: ChattyClar
Date: 2002-07-31 17:39
Ken,
Wow! He must have a tone so bright it could shatter glass
Michael~
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Author: Suzanne
Date: 2002-07-31 18:54
My revelation didn't work that well, but that's because I sat on it.
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2002-07-31 22:28
the fabric bg,s all slip and i will not use one for that reason.the metal traditional is the best lig i have ever used. the orig eddie daniels lig also slips
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Author: Mark
Date: 2002-08-01 19:37
Concur with the slippage problem when changing horns, but overall, the BGs still have a wonderful sound that makes them worth that minor hassle. I get around it by keeping a decent amount of cork grease on the mpiece so I don't have to yank'n'twist too hard.
Super Revelation is slightly brighter (some say more soloistic), but that is somewhat subjective. If your mouthpiece/barrel/horn combo tends to the dark side (had to throw in the Vader reference), the Super will put a little snap back in the sound. I play the regular Revelation, which works great on a standard R13/Moenig combo with Kaspars, Chedevilles, and Gigliotti mpieces. It is also a nice complement to V12 and Gonzales reeds.
As many others have said, though, it all comes down to what works for you. Just find a shop that will send you all three on approval and keep the one that sings the best for you.
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Author: Garth Libre
Date: 2012-09-13 20:36
I started using the BG Revelation and I find it to be a more open, less resistant sound with easier altissimo and crisper tonguing. It's a real improvement over the Rovner dark I have been using up until now. I think you have to be careful to center the metal cradle over the reed but even with less screw pressure, it doesn't tend to slip as much as the Rovner. This week I'm playing a Yamaha clarinet that has considerably more resistance than the R-13. The BG ligature tends to open things up with greater volume.
Garth, 305-981-4705. garthlibre@yahoo.com
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Author: tripler
Date: 2020-06-01 03:28
I use a BG fabric ligature on my Eb clarinet, with a crystal mouthpiece (Backun). I've never had a slippage problem, even playing that setup often in parades.
I have a picture of Anthony McGill playing with a fabric ligature, that looks to me like a BG. However, I could see where pulling a mouthpiece off for a quick clarinet change could be a problem, but that happens with metal ligatures also. After a session, pulling my mouthpiece with Optimum ligature off my tenor, usually results in the ligature and reed coming off. Sure, one can crank the ligature down drastically, but I don't like doing that, we're talking about a musical instrument here. Even the car manufacturers limit the torque used on the lug nuts ! I think it has something to do with the taper of the mouthpiece.
Oh well, I respect all your opinions, so I better be prepared to return it.
Tripler
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-06-01 06:36
Two suggestions for that would be:
1. Change from the barrel.........no real issues using "Bb" barrel on "A" clarinet
2. Grab mouthpiece more at "beak" using thumb and forefinger around area ABOVE ligature
Other than that, cranking down on the reed doesn't hurt anything but then the vibration characteristics of the ligature become more critical. The BG Tradition (metal) is fine under these circumstances. Unfortunately their fabric ligatures with the inserts still remain a bit unstable (smail metal contact area against the reed).
If you're not entirely opposed to metal ligatures, the BG Duo has some rubber contacts for the mouthpiece and a large metal (Bonade style) contact for reed. Pretty slip resistant.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: JoeRomano
Date: 2023-03-19 03:08
Changing barrels is a decent solution, but a standard A is smaller, 65 vs 66. That could be an issue, no? But I do like the BG revelation ligature a lot, and seems to be more responsive than the others I have, including the Vandoren optimum and
Rovner Versa.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2023-03-19 09:11
The common practice amongst the hot shot students in the '80s was to just use the Bb barrel and switch with that (irrespective of ligature issues). The idea was that you at least had a part of your clarinet warmed up already. The bore dimension and length of the barrel doesn't make an appreciable difference.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: ElizabethMH
Date: 2023-03-24 18:32
I use the BG Revelation (sold to me many years ago -I don’t know why- I was a newbie). I’ve only started using it last year, and while I do like the sound it gives, I find that sometimes I can’t get the rails quite centered on the reed and yes, unless I remember to tighten the screw to almost the limit the reed slips.
I’m also apprehensive about lifting my mpc off, especially if I’ve managed to get the reed to where I want it.
Also, I wonder if the faux leather fabric will eventually stretch, and you either keep tightening or it becomes unusable?
When I upgrade I’ll probably go back to a more traditional metal ligature, or a hair band, as I’ve seen on a video on the chalumeau.
Elizabeth
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