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Author: Paul Harris
Date: 2002-07-30 02:21
I had the oppertunity to play the effer part of the Band piece Morning ,Noon and Night in Vienna (Von Suppe). This part has several passages that are high in the altisimo registar f3, f#3, G3. My clarinet will play most of the higher notes close to pitch, but the partials starting with f3(1st above the staff) and up are LOW in pitch, almost as if the clarinet is speaking at the next lower partial. When I say low I mean LOW, 50 to 75 cents or more. I have solved the problem temporarly, by resorting to fingering combinations wich really are for pitches on up the scale, thus resulting in fingering patterns that are different for this horn from my other clarinets. I am hoping this forum will help me find a solution wich will result in standard fingerings in this range on the horn.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-07-30 04:36
Paul...The (written) notes F3, F#3 and G3 would actually be in the chalumeau register.
Do you mean F6, F#6 and G6?...GBK
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Author: HAT
Date: 2002-07-30 13:55
Band eflat parts to transcriptions are often unrealistically written. Feel free to take that stuff down an octave. The flutes and anyone else seated near you will be grateful, no matter how amazingly you play.
David Hattner, NYC
www.northbranchrecord.com
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Author: John Moses
Date: 2002-07-30 15:35
Check out this excellent guide for fingerings.
http://www.wfg.sneezy.org/index.html
Good luck,
JJM
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Author: William
Date: 2002-07-30 15:43
As usual, I'm in agreement with Hat. To make everyone even happier, try putting the effer in its case. (just kidding, of course)
We all have probelms with "those notes" and have to learn to play them in tune. For me, what has helped is the use of an old Selmer HS* effer mpc. I have no idea why, but those higher notes speak more easily and intonation hassels are greatly diminished. I also have had my effer barrel shortened by one mm's length. Good luck.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-07-30 15:47
Check out the fingering chart in Peter Hadcock's "Orchestral Studies for the Eb Clarinet" for some additional fingerings which are more specific for the Eb clarinet...GBK
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Author: Paul Harris
Date: 2002-07-30 19:32
Thank you, that is what I wound up doing, rewriting the parts to fit what I could play in tune, but that doesn't solve the problem. The Instrument should be able to play in this range, there are several symphony parts that requir it, notably the Bolaro by Ravel, plus others.
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Author: HAT
Date: 2002-07-31 01:23
Bolero never goes above b-flat above the staff.
I am not suggesting by any means not learning to play up there. Of course you have to do that for things in the orchestra, which you can't rewrite.
But band eflat parts, particularly old transcriptions, often have eflat clarinet parts that are not idiomatically conceived for the instrument. Thus my suggestion that lowering the octave now and then.
Also, in band there will be eflat on every piece. For the sake of stamina it makes sense to take it easy (at least to me) when you're just doubling the flutes.
As I suggested earlier on the board, when learning to play up there, forego ear-splitting volume. You rarely if ever need to play super loud up there (unless you are in a major orchestra). After you attain good control you'll be able to push a little harder if you need to.
David Hattner, NYC
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Author: LesleyM
Date: 2012-01-12 09:08
Yep. I am experiencing the same issues. My band is paying Charivari which starts on a high E and goes upwards. Tuning isn't the issue. I struggle to make it even sound up there! So I have sent for some harder reeds and will see what i can do. if it comes to it I will drop it an octave as I don't want to send my oboist into premature labour! There is also the risk of shattering the glass in the church!
Mind you, in The Last Mohecan there is a lovely Effer solo just after a piccolo one. The effer one is right in the middle register. Easy to play and sounds fab!
Lx
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2012-01-12 16:34
Someone once said, at a master class, that you play the Eb clarinet by ear not by fingers. What make is the clarinet, is it a professional model or a student model? It could be the fault of the horn, it could be your mouthpiece - reed combination or it could be the way you're voicing them. Assuming you have all that corrected then yes, you have to find fingerings that play better in tune. Often just adding a fork key will bring the pitch up on several notes, I can't tell from text, you will have to decide yourself where the problem lies, you, the clarinet, the MP-reed. ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2012-01-13 04:50
Each Eefer seems to be its own animal on those high notes. Sit down with a tuner and work out the fingerings that work for you. A very good altissimo E is played by overblowing the G# one note about the staff. Especially good on jumps from lower notes. There are lots of good other fingerings in Peter Hadcock's book.
In high school I remember several Eefer players with weaker embouchures playing all of the altissimo notes fingered a half step higher. I don't like that solution but it will work, especially since the flutes are going sharp in that same range. Another quick cheat is to add the RH sliver key to the normal fingering. These also sometimes help adding a bit of resonance/ clarity to an otherwise stuffy note.
Good luck!
Eefer guy
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2012-01-13 07:42
I was kind of lucky working at Rico, because I was able to play it everyday. What a wonderful instrument once you tame it! It's a beast. I used a Mitchell Lurie mouthpiece on a Buffet.
It was alot of fun.
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Author: otakua
Date: 2012-01-14 03:53
Hello,
I've been playin Eb for several years now, and personally for those notes (actually, moreso the E above the staff than the higher ones) I add the C#/F# or C/F key, instead of the Eb/Ab key, cuz it seems to make it clearer and higher in pitch.
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