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 Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: Nelson 
Date:   2024-07-27 06:12

Hi folks,

excuse me if this has been tackled in earlier posts but I couldn't locate the topic in my search but hoping someone can advise.

The ring around the large end of the bell on my Leblanc LL has shifted slightly ...Maybe the result of a knock when placing it on the peg. It hasn't come off and seems to be quite firm where it now rests , but one side of the ring tilts a bit towards the he player.

I don't want to dabble in somethings about which I know nothing. So Is this a job for the service repair person or are they heated / pressure fitted at the factory

thanks
Nelson

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 Re: Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: Julian ibiza 
Date:   2024-07-27 16:22

No doubt dry atmospheric conditions shrunk the bell just enough to make the band loose, and if it's now stuck hard, crooked and immovable, then dryness should free it up again to move back into place. The real question is then how to make it stay that way. Loose rings tend to be indicative that the wood is below its happy parameters of hydration, so address that matter and generally loose rings will tighten up. They really must be tight one way or another however, in order to do their job of belting the wood against cracking, much like the steel bands on a wooden barrel.

Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853

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 Re: Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: m1964 
Date:   2024-07-27 21:50

Nelson wrote:

"...The ring around the large end of the bell on my Leblanc LL has shifted slightly ...Maybe the result of a knock when placing it on the peg. It hasn't come off and seems to be quite firm where it now rests , but one side of the ring tilts a bit towards the he player..."

You could try heating up the ring using a soldering iron. I would not use a heat gun or even a hair dryer because those would heat up the wood as well. Maybe, very carefully use a cigarette lighter to heat up the ring only.

After the ring is hot to touch, you can try knocking it back into the original position with a wood/rubber mallet or using a small wooden stick.

When it is in the original position, a small amount of superglue on opposing sides would prevent it from moving again.



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 Re: Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: Julian ibiza 
Date:   2024-07-27 23:58

As this ring presumably wraps around the edge of the bell, I'm having a little trouble imagining how it can become displaced. Could it instead be that some impact has bent it a bit? It's quite thin metal and may well be somewhat hollow ( unsupported) around the edge.

If you're not sure what's happened to it, then probably best show it to someone who will. It's hard for anybody to offer good advice without actually seeing it.

Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853

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 Re: Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2024-07-28 23:04

Leblanc LL bell rings are formed from sheet metal and press fitted around the bell flare as opposed to being solid nickel silver like Buffet and Selmer have (and Yamaha models above the CX) so they can distort and go out of shape in several directions if they take a knock.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: Nelson 
Date:   2024-07-29 03:26

Thanks all,

I reckon I caught it on the clarinet stand peg during a quick change of instruments. The clarinet is in great shape and I'd like to do what I can to correct this. Guess it's a job is for a technician... perhaps send to Europe. Any suggestions re someone who may tackle this sort of thing?

All the best from Australia

Nelson

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 Re: Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: Julian ibiza 
Date:   2024-07-29 09:40

Hi Nelson,

Brass instrument techs tend to be very good with fixing deformed metal .
Surely you could track one down in Oz and save yourself the trouble of sending it to Europe!?

Julian Griffiths
Tel. 34 696 798 853

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 Re: Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: m1964 
Date:   2024-07-29 13:27

Julian ibiza wrote:

> Brass instrument techs tend to be very good with fixing
> deformed metal .
> Surely you could track one down in Oz and save yourself the
> trouble of sending it to Europe!?
>

I too hope you can find a qualified repair person in your country.
Julian actually gave you a very good advice about brass instruments tech.

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 Re: Slipped Bell Ring ing
Author: Nelson 
Date:   2024-07-30 15:34

thanks again. I will start with the brass tech and take it from there

Nelson

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