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Author: Natehan_Kim
Date: 2024-05-18 02:47
Hello, I haven't found much on the YCL CSVMaster and was wondering if anyone had any information. Additionally, how does it compare to an R13? I am trying to buy a new horn and have these two options. The R13 is dated from the late 90s to early 2000s. I would also be able to get it for $1750 and it appears to be in great shape. The CSVMaster would be closer to $2100 but also comes with a ligature and a few accessories (tuner, swab, etc.).
Thank you for the help in advance!
Post Edited (2024-05-18 02:47)
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-05-18 23:35
Natehan,
Welcome to the Woodwind Clarinet Bulletin Board!
I'm glad that you posted your question.
I try hard to not be the first responder to an original posting by waiting until 3 to 4 others have responded first. However, since a whole day has gone by with no responses, I decided to go ahead and reveal what I have found out about the R13 and YCL CSV Master clarinets.
First, a brief overview/review from clarinetexpert.com about the R13:
https://clarinetexpert.com/best-buffet-crampon-clarinets-a-comprehensive-review-and-guide/
Next, comparing the R13 to it’s newer versions. (I find the single response in this Reddit forum to be very well in line to what I have read on this BB and the last paragraph was a nice refresher of something that I had forgotten.):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Clarinet/comments/1bpg7ef/i_want_to_ask_for_some_clarification_about_buffet/?rdt=54831
Now, what makes the Yamaha YCL CSV Master different from its predecessor? Although this is a 7 yr old Reverb ad for a CSV Master, in the section entitled “About This Listing”, there is a description for what improvements were made to the CSV model to turn it into the new “Master” model:
https://reverb.com/item/6764345-yamaha-ycl-csv-master-custom-professional-bb-clarinet-mint-condition
To state the differences succinctly between the R13 and the Yamaha CSV Master, the Yamaha professional clarinets are very consistent from one to another while the R13s are not.
If both clarinets have trial periods, I suggest buying both. Then compare them and return the one you don’t want and get a refund. After all, IMHO, what is best for you is entirely up to you.
Again, Welcome to the Woodwind Clarinet BB and I hope you post often.
Disclaimer: any nonreferenced opinions above are mine.
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-05-19 02:30
Dan Shusta wrote:
> To state the differences succinctly between the R13 and the
> Yamaha CSV Master, the Yamaha professional clarinets are very
> consistent from one to another while the R13s are not.
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> If both clarinets have trial periods, I suggest buying both.
> Then compare them and return the one you don’t want and get a
> refund. After all, IMHO, what is best for you is entirely up to
> you.
Very good advice to try both. If they are being sold in a store, maybe a good idea to bring another set of ears -a friend who (preferably) plays clarinet, or other instrument.
Regarding consistency: I was told that Yamaha has a shop where clarinets gets checked and adjusted before they get sent to the dealers.
Buffet, on the other hand, relies on their dealers to check and adjust a clarinet for the buying customer.
When buying a used instrument, the above would not apply because the condition of the instrument depends how it was used and taken care of.
In addition, Yamaha clarinets sound different from Buffets. Add here the tuning response that depends on the mouthpiece/clarinet combination, and trying becomes even more important.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2024-05-20 03:58
Years ago when I had quite a few opportunities to try and play Yamaha clarinets, I was really amazed by the quality. Intonation was always excellent and the consistency was incredible. I played a number that played so well out of the box that I could easily have played a concert with the instrument as is.
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-05-20 20:17
Ed wrote:
> Years ago when I had quite a few opportunities to try and play
> Yamaha clarinets, I was really amazed by the quality.
> Intonation was always excellent and the consistency was
> incredible. I played a number that played so well out of the
> box that I could easily have played a concert with the
> instrument as is.
Hi Ed,
Did you try new instruments? I've heard more than once that you can take a new Yamaha clarinet and go on stage with it, not so with a new Buffet.
However, if I understand correctly, the OP is looking at the used instruments.
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Author: Natehan_Kim
Date: 2024-05-30 01:05
Thank you for all of the responses!
I ended up purchasing both horns to test out and have decided to stick with the Yamaha! The R13 was nice, but I much preferred the way the Yamaha sounded and felt.
Thank you again for the help!
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