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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2024-04-29 05:09
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Can anyone tell me if there is an accepted name for the type of scale pattern in the attached image? In case it doesn't post, it is essentially a descending scale but after each note it jumps up one half step chromatically and then back down again to the next normal scale note. This pattern is in Rocky Point Holiday eb part, and is giving me fits. We are supposed to play it at quarter=158, I'm up to about 110 right now with 2 weeks to go.
I also wonder why this type of pattern is not in the Baerman scales studies. It seems like it should be...
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-04-29 05:29
Playing that on a D clarinet would be easier, I think
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Author: Tom H
Date: 2024-04-29 06:08
Starts in G# Major, ends in C# Major. Easier read if written in Ab Major to Db Major.
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Post Edited (2024-04-29 06:09)
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2024-04-29 06:27
This is one of those composers who doesn't use key signatures. For some reason he favors sharps too. There are about 6 flats in the whole piece and about 150 sharps.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2024-04-29 06:36
Hunter_100 wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if there is an accepted name for the type of
> scale pattern in the attached image? In case it doesn't post,
> it is essentially a descending scale but after each note it
> jumps up one half step chromatically and then back down again
> to the next normal scale note. This pattern is in Rocky Point
> Holiday eb part, and is giving me fits. We are supposed to
> play it at quarter=158, I'm up to about 110 right now with 2
> weeks to go.
>
Are you tripping over fingerings or over the notation? I'm assuming from your description that these are all ascending half-steps, that the accidentals don't carry through the measure? Are the 3rd and 4th sixteenth notes E#-F# or E#-F-double-sharp? Are the last two notes of the second beat C#-D or C#-D#?
Is this the whole passage, or is there more before or after it?
> I also wonder why this type of pattern is not in the Baerman
> scales studies. It seems like it should be...
Opperman includes patterns that are similar, for example thirds that descend by half steps instead of the usual diatonic scale steps. But it's the tempo that makes this a challenge more than the notes themselves.
Karl
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Author: brycon
Date: 2024-04-29 10:20
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Can anyone tell me if there is an accepted name for the type of scale pattern in the attached image?
It isn't really a single scale pattern (the technical term for an ornamental pattern, scale or otherwise, by the way, is a "diminution").
Maybe a better way of thinking of it (and I imagine the way it was composed) is as a series of descending thirds--Fx, D#, B#, G#, E#, C#--moving in quarter notes. In the middle of the beats, there's a neighbor note above and a neighbor note below, encircling each of these descending-third tones. The accepted name for this encircling type of thing is a "double neighbor."
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I also wonder why this type of pattern is not in the Baerman scales studies. It seems like it should be...
This is why I keep my own catalog of diminutions. Whenever I find a pattern in a piece that's tough for me (or, sometimes, I pattern I just love to play), I write it down in a notebook and then practice it for a while, learn it in all keys, and tinker around with it. I find this sort of thing much better than Baermann or any other scale book (many of which are a waste of paper).
Post Edited (2024-04-29 11:16)
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Author: graham
Date: 2024-04-29 15:56
The passage looks like it goes on a C clarinet. But it depends what comes before and after as to how helpful that is.
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2024-04-29 17:54
Thank you for the replies. Brycon, I think you provided the answer that I was looking for.
The passage is short, there are a couple eighth notes leading up to it and there is a lengthy rest right after. The part is doubled by 1st clarinet.
This part is just some background effect to everything else going on, its not really that important to the piece but it is the hardest technical run in the eb part in my opinion.
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