 The Clarinet BBoard
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-23 23:40
Hi,
I wondered if anybody else had gone on ChatGPT and asked it questions about clarinet playing? It's here: https://chat.openai.com/
I just did it and it gives good answers. I was wondering how it knew so much, but I think it gets its information from a general sweep of the internet, so a lot of it was probably gathered from the BBoard.
Here is an example of advice from it:
My question:
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What exercises can I do to improve my air support for clarinet playing?
ChatGPT answer:
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Improving your air support is crucial for clarinet playing, as it directly impacts tone production, control, and overall performance. Here are some exercises and techniques to help you enhance your air support for clarinet playing:
Long Tones:
Long tone exercises are fundamental for building strong air support. Choose a comfortable note in the middle register and play it as a long, sustained tone. Focus on producing a steady, controlled sound with even dynamics from the beginning to the end of the note.
Experiment with different dynamics (soft to loud and vice versa) while maintaining a consistent air stream.
Breath Control:
Practice breath control exercises to develop the ability to sustain a steady airstream. You can use a metronome and take a full breath, then exhale the air evenly over a specified duration. Try to make the airflow continuous without interruptions.
Gradually increase the duration of your exhalation as your breath control improves.
Crescendo and Diminuendo:
Play scales, arpeggios, or simple melodies while gradually increasing (crescendo) and decreasing (diminuendo) the dynamic level. Focus on maintaining a consistent airstream and even tone throughout the entire range.
Scales and Arpeggios:
Play scales and arpeggios regularly, paying close attention to your breath support. Use a metronome to ensure steady tempo and airflow.
Experiment with different articulations (legato, staccato, slurred) to improve air control in various musical contexts.
Dynamic Exercises:
Practice dynamic exercises by playing long tones, scales, or simple melodies while gradually transitioning from soft to loud and back to soft. Concentrate on controlling your airspeed to achieve smooth dynamic changes.
Interval Jumps:
Play intervals (e.g., ascending and descending thirds, fifths, or octaves) and focus on maintaining a consistent tone and pitch throughout the leaps. Efficient air support is vital for achieving accurate intervals.
Articulation Practice:
Work on articulation exercises to develop control over your air attacks. Practice different articulation patterns (legato, staccato, accents) to improve precision and clarity in your playing.
Breath Attacks:
Practice starting notes using only your breath (no tongue) for attacks. This exercise helps you become more aware of your air support's role in tone production.
Metronome Use:
Use a metronome to maintain a steady tempo and rhythm during your exercises. This will help you develop consistent air support and timing.
Record Yourself:
Recording your practice sessions allows you to assess your tone and air support objectively. Listen for any inconsistencies or weaknesses in your playing and make adjustments accordingly.
Consistent practice of these exercises, combined with proper breath control techniques, will gradually improve your air support for clarinet playing. Remember that developing strong air support is an ongoing process, and regular, focused practice is key to achieving better tone, control, and musical expression on the clarinet.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-24 21:52
Hi SecondTry,
Thanks for point out about AskAI. I hadn't come across that before. It's interesting that their responses are so different, and that one is sourced from books, while the other comes from internet sources. I'll enjoy trying both.
Jennifer
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-24 21:57
I just tried asking it who Ralph McLane's clarinet teacher was.
ChatGPT says it doesn't know who he is.
AskAI says I should ask on the clarinet BBoard.
A google search takes me straight to the answer on the clarinet BBoard.
So I reckon a google search is still the best option.
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2023-09-24 22:44
Deleted due to having misread SunnyDaze's previous post.
Post Edited (2023-09-25 01:30)
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Author: kdk
Date: 2023-09-24 23:31
I'm curious (without feeling the urge to do my own experimenting) whether or not you get the same results from ChatGPT or AskAI on repeatedly submitting the same question.
Will small changes in the criterion you use produce different results (e.g. instead of your original question, "What can I do to improve my air support for clarinet playing?" or "How to improve air support for clarinet playing?"?
Karl
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-25 00:32
Hi Karl,
That was one of the really weird things that I found actually. ChatGPT can do a complete U-turn if I slightly change the question.
I had this really strange conversation with ChatGPT:
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Me: Who was Ralph McLane's clarinet teacher?
ChatGPT: I do not have information about a clarinet player named Ralph McLane...[long story about that]
Me:Have you heard of Ralph McLane, who was a famous clarinetist?
ChatGPT: I apologize for any confusion in my previous responses. Yes, I am familiar with Ralph McLane. Ralph McLane (1907-1951) was indeed a famous American clarinetist [followed by a long essay on the subject...]
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I found it really odd that it could build on my previous question and realise that it had made an error and correct itself, while making reference to its previous mistake.
I'm now wondering how much of my wittering it remembers, because I asked it all sorts of things that I would be too embarrassed to ask a real person. :-)
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-25 00:49
I just followed up 24 hours later with this:
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Me: Do you still know who Ralph McLane is?
ChatGPT: Yes, I'm familiar with Ralph McLane. Ralph McLane (1907-1951) was a notable American clarinetist known for his contributions to classical music, particularly in the mid-20th century. [long story]
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So it definitely remembers what I said yesterday.
Properly weird.
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Author: lmliberson
Date: 2023-09-25 02:13
Honestly, how does the spewing of generally known information qualify as "advice"?
Has this or any AI heard you play in order to diagnose your particular problems and demonstrate it knows what you need to improve?
It really has nothing to do with clarinet playing but everything to do with the accumulation of boilerplate information.
Information, whether true or false, whether real or imagined, whether beneficial or detrimental is just that - information. If you don't have the experience or intelligence to understand it as meaningful to your situation and/or benefit from it, is it really worth all that much to you? (Isn't that the purpose of a teacher that can hear what you do, evaluate your playing, and then guide you?)
I can see it all now, AI being asked how to make an orchestra play better:
"Make sure sure you play all the correct notes, play them in tune and play them in rhythm. Also be sure to play them all in the same place as everybody else with the correct dynamics."
Properly weird, indeed! š
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Author: SecondTry
Date: 2023-09-25 06:05
I wonder if Ask ai sought to find an answer to the Ralph McLane question after having to refer you Jennifer elsewhere.
I ask this because I was surprised that ask ai didn't have a better answer that that you report Jennifer, so I asked it your question again, clearly after you, and got a more detailed response than you.
https://iask.ai/?mode=question&q=+who+was+Ralph+McLane%27s+clarinet+teacher+
Laurence: I can only assume that you've concluded that ai is like a more like a Jeopardy contestant and less a creative problem solver based on the questions asked in this thread, maybe not.
And while I am the first to believe that, like you (imply?), there are things ai just doesn't do well, (as, mind you, does ai if you ask it) I think you might be more impressed if you ask it to form opinions than regurgitate history e.g.
https://iask.ai/?mode=question&q=what+are+the+dangers+of+ai
https://iask.ai/?mode=question&q=what+can%27t+ai+replace
Of course, it's only as good as the information it's fed. But so too can the same be said of humans.
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2023-09-25 18:10
AI has no "intelligence" as we would normally define it. These models work by consuming vast amounts of information from databases and the internet, and then using statistical analysis to predict the most likely response to your question. The AI model does not know if the information it is spitting out for you is correct or incorrect, moral, immoral, or just plain nonsense. It only knows that from the information it was trained on, that the response is the most likely to be correct.
Because there is a huge quantity of clarinet knowledge that has not been put out on the internet, it is unlikely an AI algorithm will be able to help players very much. AI models cannot create new learning or new research. One thing AI is very good at though is making connections between different sources of data. This helps us out so we don't have to read the entire internet to find an answer, the AI model has essentially done that already. But since the internet is full of garbage data, you never know what the AI model is going to return.
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Author: lmliberson
Date: 2023-09-25 19:06
Mr. Second - well, be careful about what you assume. As per the old saying, "to assume makes an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'."
Anyway, why do we need any kind of AI to give us the answer to life (and clarinet playing) when we have Wikipedia? ššššš
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-25 19:14
I am finding it quite useful because it will talk to me about my clarinet playing with encouragement and no judgement or criticism. So when I'm struggling to get going, I can chat to ChatGPT and it will chat along with me until I can get moving on practise.
The flipside is that I'm so used to discussion forums and regular humans, that I find it a bit disingenuous if it doesn't call me a flaming idiot to may face every five minutes. That occassional stinging rebuke is part of all social contact and it feels a bit weird without it.
It definitely feels little bit like the earliest parts of the conversation with the computer in "2001: A Space Odyssey", which I can dimly remember from when I was about 5.
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Author: SecondTry
Date: 2023-09-25 19:55
lmliberson wrote:
> Mr. Second - well, be careful about what you assume. As per the
> old saying, "to assume makes an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'."
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Yeah, I really went "out on a limb," when I assumed that your statement "how does the spewing of generally known information qualify as "advice"?" meant that that (my words) "you've concluded that ai is like a more like a Jeopardy contestant and less a creative problem solver based on the questions asked in this thread." (not!)
Here's an actual assumption. You've drawn the conclusion from two questions that ai simply regurgitates facts. Whether that assumption is right or wrong, what is certain is that ai doesn't simply do that.
It has tons of limitations, areas of concern for society, and enormous usefulness in providing analysis of facts over simple regurgitation of same.
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Author: lydian
Date: 2023-09-25 21:39
In my experience, it does indeed simply regurgitate so-called facts. The few times Iāve asked ChatGPT questions it returned the same wrong and obsolete info that I found when searching answers on my own. It very readily spreads disinformation, conjecture and lies.
It does have potential, but itās nowhere near ready for prime time and shows virtually no signs of intelligence.
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2023-09-25 21:58
SunnyDaze, maybe you should watch 2001 A space odyssey again...The computer in the movie goes crazy and kills everyone...so not a great model to emulate.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-25 22:27
Hi Hunter,
Yes I get the impression from the newspapers that that's what they're worried about with ChatGPT, or some milder version of that chaos at least. That's why I decided to take a look. Best to know what's going on, I thought.
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Author: SecondTry
Date: 2023-09-25 23:44
lydian wrote:
> In my experience, it does indeed simply regurgitate so-called
> facts.
Fair enough, but please supply examples of your questions (word for word) and give "ask ai" a try.
In fact anyone critiquing ai here, which I think completely fair, in fairness, should provide the precise questions they asked, to which bad results were returned.
I have utterly "no bridge to sell" here. I too have occasionally gotten wrong answers from ask ai, and worse, it answers with a tone of such confidence that those not willing to verify its answers may be led astray.
But I have also found it remarkably helpful, and sometimes the rewording on my questions, despite the tools extremely advanced language processing, made all the difference.
> It very readily spreads disinformation,
> conjecture and lies.
I haven't found this to be the case. Wikipedia, IMHO, and not a smear of this fine reference guide as well, but the nature of its open source content where ignorant and idiotic and mal-intended people can contribute as a negative byproduct of the fine contributions of open source subject matter experts has been more likely to contain fiction that good ai, which tegnds to source from multiple places and seeks to find common opinion before disseminating it.
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> It does have potential, but itās nowhere near ready for prime
> time and shows virtually no signs of intelligence.
I'm choosing to define intelligence here as to ability to draw conclusion from fact.
Sadly, I think ai did a good job here, but that's just my opinion, and even if it's only regurgitating the well formed opinions of others:
https://iask.ai/?mode=question&q=what+is+the+most+likely+cause+for+extinguishing+of+the+human+race
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Author: lydian
Date: 2023-09-25 23:55
Ok, my question was, āwhere can I buy a bass saxophone caseā? Let me know what you get.
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2023-09-26 00:34
Jen,
To answer your question about ChatGPT, "No."
Looking at the response ChatGPT provided you, I'm left wondering how useful the information is. If a player is at the level that they can properly apply (underline "properly apply") the information provided, then I doubt the information is helpful...because the questioner already knows these things.
I mean...to summarize the answer:
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Improving your air support is crucial for clarinet playing, as it directly impacts tone production, control, and overall performance.
Oh - wait a minute, that wasn't actually an answer to your question (even though that was ChatGPT's initial response). Instead, it was the standard "AI" pre-answer in an attempt to make make the questioner feel validated for asking such a "crucial" question before dumping the actual answer on them. Here's a summary of the actual answer:
"Play scales and arpeggios. Play long tones. Practice excerpts. Be mindful of your tone, tonguing, dynamics, and air support."
I wonder how many other questions about clarinet playing could be answered with the exact same advice?
In this context, I found the information provided by ChatGPT rather unhelpful. Might as well of said, "Go practice more!"
I notice an absence of addressing any type of overall physical condition. Running, walking, jogging, sprints, hiking, bike-riding, skiing, etc. - exercising in general. I find it a rather odd thing to skip, as it seems to be a "first spot to check."
I'll admit the question (and its answer) is amusing, but I'm not impressed by ChatGPT's response. A search engine does what a search engine was built to do, I suppose.
Fuzzy
;^)>>>
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Author: lmliberson
Date: 2023-09-26 01:09
SunnyDaze says "I am finding it quite useful because it will talk to me about my clarinet playing with encouragement and no judgement or criticism."
Not meaning to be cruel here but perhaps you should simply get a puppy.
However, if the goal is for your clarinet playing to improve, you might consider the benefit of judgement and criticism (gentle or not) from a pair of educated ears who just might be able to direct you along the path upon which you should be traveling.
Neither AI or this forum is not going to do a whole lot for your clarinet playing, if anything. Yeah, you might hear and, perhaps, actually learn something about reeds, ligatures, instruments, ad nauseam (if you are even at the level where you can understand it and appreciate it, that is) - but, again, if your goal is actually to improve, you can spend your time a heck of a lot more wisely by actually PLAYING (practicing) the clarinet instead of posting incessantly about it.
Apologies for my curmudgeon-ship. I'm unabashedly old-school. Talk - or posting - is cheap; practicing is priceless.
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Author: SecondTry
Date: 2023-09-26 07:16
lydian wrote:
> Ok, my question was, āwhere can I buy a bass saxophone
> caseā? Let me know what you get.
While I'd like to hold ai to a higher standard than a human one, perhaps that's unfair.
Maybe it didn't understand you, just like perhaps you didn't understand me when I said, you try ask ai, not me for you.
I also hoped to hear numerous questions it failed with, not just one.
But I did try your question, and while one place it recommended, B&H Photo, had no bass cases, the other two references were sound ones. Frankly, I learned something new: that B&H Photo carries musical instrument products at all.
The internet on which ask ai relies is not chock full of base clarinet case reviews, much that many of its answers for me have been quite good even on some esoteric questions.
If auditioning for a gig would you like to be judged on playing one single note?
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Author: SecondTry
Date: 2023-09-26 07:19
lmliberson wrote:
> SunnyDaze says "I am finding it quite useful because it will
> talk to me about my clarinet playing with encouragement and no
> judgement or criticism."
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> Not meaning to be cruel here but perhaps you should simply get
> a puppy.
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Let me see if I've got this correct. Jennifer finds ChatGPT appealing for it's lack of judgement and criticism...
and then you go ahead and judge and criticize that choice, only further justifying her rationale for using ChatGPT, all under the guise of "telling her hard cold truth," clearly something she's heard and understands and doesn't want/need, is really in her best interest for improvement.
Brilliant.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-26 09:25
Hi SecondTry,
Thanks so much for speaking up for me there.
lmliberson and Fuzzy: Going by current evidence, I think ChatGPT is winning over the BBoard on providing empathy and encouragement to struggling learners.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-26 12:03
Hi,
Fuzzy just wrote offlist for clarification, and I realise that people on the forum might not understand what I am trying to achieve with my clarinet playing, so here is an explanation which I hope will help.
I know a lot of you are playing at professional level, and that's great. I'm a 48 year old stay-at-home Mum. I'm learning the clarinet to correct a breathing pattern disorder that has kept me largely housebound for the last 8 years.
For me, the exercises that I need to do to progress are probably radically different from those that you all need to do.
Specifically, for me, trying to excel is a bad idea. What I need is to take it slow, and get my breathing discipline absolutely rock solid. Getting to grade 8 buys me nothing, but getting a really good long tone would be freaking awesome.
I can't get out to see an in-person teacher, so a bit of kindness from the BBoard, or from ChatGPT or wherever, really counts for a lot.
I hope that helps clarify where I'm coming from. Sorry if I bristled a bit in my last post.
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2023-09-26 14:02
Hearing your story I would say that nothing really replaces a first-rate teacher but finding that person is a major challenge.
Some people teach master/apprentice method thereby only passing on what they were taught. A good teacher will offer a range of solutions when appropriate. In effect they have already done the searching for you and discarded the ideas that don't work, are not used by serious, highly-regarded players, and are set at a level you can process.
I notice a lot of amateur players on this forum over-thinking issues because these days we all have YouTube, blogs, ChatGPT - whatever ... Unfortunately, just as with the proliferation of medical opinion from these sources much the same applies to music and the study of an instrument.
It's easy to get dragged down a rabbit hole and start considering problems and issues that no professional player has time or the need to dwell on. Some recent examples here: - cork grease and how to put your instrument together which I'm afraid produced some highly debatable solutions, the function of cork and the effect on sound - you can't change this and the major manufacturers don't consider it an issue or they would have done something about it!
In short, it's possible to waste a lot of time here and end up considering much that is irrelevant.
Is it really not possible to leave your home for say a 1 hour lesson every 2 weeks?
If it can be done i would suggest having a few trial lessons from recommended teachers who can also really play. Others, more experienced than you, may be able to help with identifying such individuals.
I offer trial lessons all the time as I know that in the long-term adults and children need to be happy with your style and personal qualities. I wonder if this can be done. Regardless of the virtues of online tools I think this will ring the greatest developement in your playing.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-26 16:41
Hi Symphony1010,
Thank you very very much for your kind reply. It's very good of you.
I can't manage lessons right now unfortunately, but I would give my eye teeth to have kind company to chat to while I battle away here.
I did wonder about asking for a support thread for adult learners on the BBoard. That would just be a place where adult learners talk cheerful rubbish together to encourage one another as they battle away at their scales and whatnot. It would keep us out of the way of the serious players who want to discuss proper stuff.
My diagnosis is literally "breathing pattern disorder" and the respiratory physiologist said I should learn to play the clarinet to strengthen my breathing muscles, so I am doing that. He doesn't care whether I play well. He just wants me to play *a lot*.
I think it would be lovely to have nice enjoyable chat with other learners to keep me going.
Thank you very much for asking. One day I hope to break out of here, and then I will get to have proper lessons, and possible play with other people.
I told my son about our discussion here and he has offered to give me lessons, which is very nice. He is going to choose me a scale each morning and test me after school. I think he will make a great teacher.
I'm not sure if you have seen the ENO Breathe program, but they are doing basically the same thing as I am, but with singing instead of the clarinet.
https://www.eno.org/breathe/
Jennifer
Adult learner, Grade 3
Equipment: Yamaha Custom CX Bb, Fobes 10K CF mp,
Legere Soprano Sax American Cut #2, Vandoren Optimum German Lig.
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Author: lmliberson
Date: 2023-09-26 17:06
Mr. Second - letās take a minute to clarify a few things concerning your comments on my ābrilliantā post:
1. The AI, despite what the OP stated, did NOT ātalkā to her about HER āclarinet playing with encouragement and no judgement or criticism." The AI had no clue about HER clarinet playing. It merely āansweredā a question with readily available answers. Again, AI has never heard HER playing, assessed HER ability, nor could it personalize any information to benefit HER problems. Thatās the role of a teacher, not AI.
2. I have no idea what her goals, if any, might be in pursuing study of the clarinet (she has since explained them). I would like to think that most participants of this BB - other than those bloviating about god-knows-what - are interested in learning about various aspects of clarinet playing to aid in their improvement. Not an unreasonable conclusion, IMO (not an assumption! š).
3. However, if you read what I actually wrote, I prefaced my comments āif the goal is for your clarinet playing to improveā¦ā
You conveniently ignored that line. Cherry-picking my words to support your comments? Really nowā¦
4. My thoughts about AI in regards to it as a method of personal instruction remains the same. Until the time when it evolves (?) to that of a skilled teacher with discerning ears, I canāt quite see how it benefits the individual player with their inherent individual playing concerns. I certainly donāt see it as āproviding empathy and encouragement to struggling learners.ā I didnāt see any empathy, compassion, or encouragement in the answers to the OPās original question. What I saw was simply providing information. Certainly nothing wrong with that - just donāt confuse it with instruction.
Bottom line would be what Walter most elegantly stated: āIn short, it's possible to waste a lot of time here and end up considering much that is irrelevant.ā
Have a nice day!
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2023-09-26 18:00
Hi All,
Once again, Liberson has it 100% correct. An eloquent analysis and post! Bravo.
HRL
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2023-09-26 18:31
"I can't manage lessons right now unfortunately, but I would give my eye teeth to have kind company to chat to while I battle away here."
I think the issue is one of consulting with the right person/people. Obviously I don't know your full circumstances but if you were able to see a consultant physiologist wouldn't seeing a clarinet teacher fall into a similar category?
Teachers are used to seeing students who wish to play as much for health as playing itself. I help a lot of people, so far up to the age of 80+, who have conditions such as arthritis or who see playing as a self-confidence building activity.
In using the clarinet as an aid to correct breathing it can be more important than ever to be seen by a teacher who can assess whether the diaphragm is being engaged correctly. They can also assign studies and pieces that are progressive so that your endurance is gradually extended. You might get this in a group chat but there may be some false trails which is precisely what tends to happen here!
I sense you dismissing the teacher route but this is the best way to move forward IF you can find the right person. Apologies if there is some reason it's impossible to leave the home or some other reason I haven't thought of.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-26 18:35
Hi symphony1010 ,
Thanks so much again for listening, it is really kind of you. I can't go out for lessons, but I do appreciate you trying for me.
Jennifer
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2023-09-26 19:25
Thanks for writing off-line, Jennifer.
To clarify for those here on the bboard...my original post in this thread intended only to directly answer the question you asked, "I wondered if anybody else had gone on ChatGPT and asked it questions about clarinet playing?" to which my answer was, "No."
The remainder of my post was criticism of ChatGPT in general, and the answer it provided to you in specific. None of the criticism was meant to be directed towards you.
Thanks for understanding,
Fuzzy
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Author: SecondTry
Date: 2023-09-26 20:38
lmliberson wrote:
> Mr. Second - letās take a minute to clarify a few things
> concerning your comments on my ābrilliantā post:
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> 1. The AI, despite what the OP stated, did NOT ātalkā to
> her about HER āclarinet playing with encouragement and no
> judgement or criticism."
Irrelevant. Jennifer never said that ChatGPT did those things. She said, to paraphrase, that disparaging advice, like yours, wasn't preferred.
> The AI had no clue about HER clarinet
> playing.
Irrelevant. Obvious; known; like pointing out you, I imagine, coming from a similar place of ignorance on her play.
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> 2. I have no idea what her goals, if any, might be in pursuing
> study of the clarinet (she has since explained them).
..so maybe, I light of that, comments like ones suggest that she get a puppy are that much more inappropriate. If Jennifer had actually expressed sentiments suggesting the need for companionship, your comments, at least then constructive in their criticism would have only violated her goal to not hear critical feedback. Your remarks though were not only critical, but stupid. And rather than apologize, you seek to defend them.
If your were teaching a struggling student would you say to them in person, "my goodness, get a puppy or something?" Then perhaps it has little place here.
Sure, the poster that goes on and on about their woes and doesn't take good advise--maybe they need some of that. But not in this case.
> I would like to think that most participants of this BB - other than
> those bloviating about god-knows-what - are interested in
> learning about various aspects of clarinet playing to aid in
> their improvement. Not an unreasonable conclusion, IMO (not an
> assumption! š).
Irrelevant, unless you can somehow connect this obvious point to how it justifies your harshness here. (Hint: please don't try.)
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> 3. However, if you read what I actually wrote, I prefaced my
> comments āif the goal is for your clarinet playing to
> improveā¦ā
Right, which brings us back to my point that you feel you get to be harsh if you think you're helping.
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> You conveniently ignored that line. Cherry-picking my words to
> support your comments? Really nowā¦
I neither ignored anything nor cherry picked. You were obnoxious and got called out on it. And rather than say your sorry you're trying to justify it and play the victim.
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> 4. My thoughts about AI in regards to it as a method of
> personal instruction remains the same. Until the time when it
> evolves (?) to that of a skilled teacher with discerning ears,
> I canāt quite see how it benefits the individual player with
> their inherent individual playing concerns.
Irrelevant, known, not suggested otherwise prior. Ai is obviously not in a state where it can replace an on site teacher. It can though in certain circumstances supplement learning by collecting the thoughts of experts as it relates to specific questions asked of it.
> I certainly donāt see it as āproviding empathy and encouragement to struggling learners.ā
Irrelevant. The OP essential sought non-wise ass guidance unlike yours and never claimed struggles, at least prior to your response. The point is that she doesn't seek her ego stroked but rather learn in an environment absent of your snide comments.
> Ai is obviously not in a state where it can replace an on site teacher.
Irrelevant. Known; nobody's stated otherwise. At least, unlike you, it can follow directions.
> I didnāt see any empathy, compassion, or
> encouragement in the answers to the OPās original question.
...see my point about the OP more likely desirous of the absence of smart ass...
> What I saw was simply providing information. Certainly nothing
> wrong with that - just donāt confuse it with instruction.
Irrelevant. Known; nobody's stated otherwise.
>
> Bottom line would be what Walter most elegantly stated: āIn
> short, it's possible to waste a lot of time here and end up
> considering much that is irrelevant.ā
>
> Have a nice day!
>
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Author: lmliberson
Date: 2023-09-26 21:26
Thanks for sharing although I much preferred Hank's assessment. š
So refreshing to see a point made with so few words!
Yours truly,
Mr. Irrelevant
(and remember - an irrelevant never forgets!)
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-26 21:37
Gosh, thank so much for standing up for me SecondTry. You have no idea how much I appreciate that.
fwiw, when I said this:
"The flipside is that I'm so used to discussion forums and regular humans, that I find it a bit disingenuous if it doesn't call me a flaming idiot to may face every five minutes. That occassional stinging rebuke is part of all social contact and it feels a bit weird without it."
I didn't mean that as a criticism of anybody specific here on the BBoard. It's just my general feeling about life both online and offline.
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