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Author: Pokenerd
Date: 2023-04-26 00:35
Any advice from the double lip players here? I have trouble playing for longer than a few minutes while standing up with double lip.
I still don’t understand how Corrado does it… isn’t he also a double lip player?
Minjun
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Author: Ed
Date: 2023-04-26 01:10
Richard Stoltzman played double lip as a soloist all over the world. He did develop the strength to do this, but it takes time. Make sure you are using enough support from the right thumb keep the clarinet stable. You might consider using a neck strap.
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2023-04-26 03:35
What do you do different when standing compared to sitting? From the stabdpoint of your hands and mouth, there should not be a difference standing or sitting.
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Author: donald
Date: 2023-04-26 04:45
I played double lip for the first 5 years I played clarinet, this included performances of the Mozart Concerto and Finzi Bagatelles (standing up). I get that people trying to change to double lip might find it tiring but don't really understand what STANDING has got to do with it. I can now switch between double and single with no problem but prefer single as it makes the clarinet more stable in technical passages. That's about the only reason.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2023-04-26 05:01
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What do you do different when standing compared to sitting? From the stabdpoint of your hands and mouth, there should not be a difference standing or sitting.
I think that sitting would allow the opportunity to stabilize the instrument between the knees or on one knee
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Author: Pokenerd
Date: 2023-04-26 09:20
I find it most challenging to stabilize the instrument while standing how Ed said. I usually compensate for that using a firmer embouchure on left and right and this causes my lips to die out very very quickly
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-04-26 11:30
I use a sling like this and it works just fine.
https://www.wwr.co.uk/daniel-s-claritie-clarinet-support-that-takes-all-the-weight-off-the-thumb-aclarinetsupport.html
I also have a kooiman thumb rest which helps me control the rotation of the clarinet.
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2023-04-26 16:12
DL won't limit you standing. For a while I was practicing DL while walking around the circuit of rooms in my house playing marches. Like some others do, when playing DL seated my tendency is to use the knees at the bell to stabilize the instrument better. I use just a touch against one knee. When I notice it, sometimes I stop but then unconsciously resume. Eh.
A couple things not mentioned so far about standing dl. First, the relationship between your hands and the instrument may come into it. The less they wiggle the clarinet around while playing, the better.
Patience and keep after it. The callus on the upper lip will gradually thicken, perhaps eventually exceeding the bottom lip's. When the lip gets a little sore or tired, switch to SL or sit down for a while - but resume standing DL later. Don't kill it, but push a little.
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2023-04-26 17:40
I would suggest that you try and reduce the slapping and banging of your fingers on the keys during note changes. I notice a lot of my fellow band players use a lot of force to close keys while playing. Light and gentle is the key for double lip since it won't cause vibration or motion up at your mouth during rapid passages. You may find you have pad sealing problems though if your fingering is light enough! I almost always find that other clarinets besides mine have seal issues on the normally open pinkie keys that the owners never notice because they are crushing the keys down during playing (which seals them up). Light fingers help a lot with the clarion C because you won't be pushing the mouthpiece up into your top lip as much.
I would also suggest experimenting with a technique of putting your left hand ring finger on the instrument body, either next to the tone hole or resting on the part of the key rod for the fork key when playing upper clarion notes. You can also try resting parts of your right hand fingers on the key rods as well, which adds some counter pressure for the right hand thumb. For me, that adds a lot of stability and I don't have issues getting the fingers back in place for follow up notes while doing this. I know some people have advocated closing the eb pinkie key when playing upper clarion notes, but I worry about making these notes more sharp if you do that so I do not use this method.
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2023-05-01 13:55
I play double lip - sitting and standing for long concerts of solo and chamber repertoire. It may take you time to build up some standing endurance if you are using your leg to stabilize the clarinet while sitting.
Try adding a few minutes each day to your standing routine. When I switched to DL, Kal Opperman had me start with a three-minutes-on, three-minutes-off routine to help build up endurance. And forget the no pain, no gain attitude. It if hurts, you are need to figure out what and why it is hurting and do something to help or stop the pain.
Patience and practice.
Tom Piercy
Post Edited (2023-05-01 13:58)
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Author: donald
Date: 2023-05-01 17:20
I guess one reason I'm always mystified why people find double lip hard is that I've never heard of anyone anywhere in the world playing with their clarinet on their knee, except for in the USA. I recall Gigliotti saying he did this as he just had to play for too many hours at Philly, so maybe it's his influence.
I mean if it works then by all means do it I suppose. Most places in the world would consider this a bit odd.
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