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Author: Pokenerd
Date: 2023-03-26 10:17
Players such as Harold Wright and Ralph McLain's tones are said to have very strong 12ths... and that they could also hear them. I can hear it when the overtones are first isolated on its own through computer programs and later hear the full sound but I can't hear them without it... are there any good ear training of some sort to listen to the 12th easier and bring out more of it?
Minjun
Post Edited (2023-03-26 10:21)
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2023-03-28 01:36
Sorry, I don't know your answers, but would like to learn more about this. I think it was discussed on this board before, probably years ago. I don't consciously hear 12ths in my sound or anyone else's, but perhaps other ears are more discriminating.
This may be unrelated, but. It's interesting to practice "opposite the register key", so that you voice clarion notes with the key closed and (fuzzy) chalumeau notes with it open, i.e., backwards from usual. In the former case, you support the desired 12ths to sound instead of the primary.
The latter case involves the 12ths tending, more strongly the lower you go, to overplay the fuzzy chalumeau sounds that are desired, but you override them to maintain the lower notes. During that you are obviously aware of said 12th being there even when it's not actually coming out.
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Author: ebonite
Date: 2023-03-28 10:04
Try playing near a piano with the sustain pedal held down. The 12th should be more audible. When you have trained yourself to hear it with the piano, try it without.
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Author: Johnny Galaga
Date: 2023-03-31 04:49
Play a low F and if you focus the air just right, you can get a middle C to come out at the same time !
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Author: lydian
Date: 2023-03-31 06:02
Since a 12th is just a 5th plus an octave, same interval as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, that's an easy way to hear it.
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Author: smill01
Date: 2023-04-01 22:06
The Tonal Energy phone app (and probably others) has a harmonic analysis tab that lets you see the partials as you adjust your voicings.
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Author: Johnny Galaga
Date: 2023-04-05 03:51
Actually, a low G or A♭ might be better for getting 2 notes out at the same time. So did you ever go stand in the corner?
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2023-04-07 02:50
The tone of the Eb clarinet might be a good starting point. Play the same pitch on both Eb and Bb . Keep the tone of the Eb in your head as you play the Bb.
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Author: Burt
Date: 2023-04-09 04:36
You can use a spectrum analyzer to look at all the harmonics. I have "Spectroid" on my Android phone. Assuming that the harmonics are not created by imperfections in the app, I can see the 12th (3x the fundamental frequency) and even some of the octave (2x the fundamental frequency).
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2023-04-17 02:05
When playing a note in the chalumeau register, are the 12ths that one can sometimes perceive in-tune mathematically precise 12ths, or they the more-or-less flat 12ths that you would actually get if you overblew the fundamental without the register key?
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