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Author: musica
Date: 2023-02-13 01:31
Third line B tremolo down to second line G.
Looking for a smoother tremolo fingering other than standard B to open G
Tried side trill key but are there any other options? Thanks!
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Author: prigault
Date: 2023-02-13 01:48
Take the B with the right hand pinkie and let all the right hand fingers down all the time. This way only the left hand opens and closes, no synchronization between hands needed.
Post Edited (2023-02-13 01:54)
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Author: Tom H
Date: 2023-02-13 06:54
I'll have to try it, but I'm thinking play the B with throat A and top of the RH side trill keys-- this is a fingering for B. Maybe hold the trill key down and move the A key on and off to make the tremolo easier? I'm figuring if you play the B normally you're looking at a mess even with holding the RH down?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2023-02-13 14:06
While playing B (with the RH pinky), try releasing just the LH thumb and LH fingers 1 and 2 for the open G, keeping LH3 held down.
Using the trill keys for the B while playing open G would be the first option if it's more practical.
Is this from a clarinet specific piece or a study, or is it in a clarinet part?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2023-02-14 13:23)
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2023-02-13 20:27
Odd tremolos seem to crop up sometimes in parts for shows. While it doesn't take long to experiment and find solutions for individual examples, I've wondered before if somewhere there's a fingering chart for trills that extends another couple half-steps up in interval size, and so includes tremolos of major and minor thirds?
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Author: Tom H
Date: 2023-02-14 02:20
I found that the best way to do the tremolo is to just play open G and hit the two top RH trill keys together without using throat A key. On my Selmer student clarinet this B is actually in tune. May vary of course depending on the instrument.
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Post Edited (2023-02-14 02:21)
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Author: prigault
Date: 2023-02-14 02:59
Tom, the fingerings you describe kind of work (although the B is quite sharp on my three Buffets) but they produce very hollow sounding notes.
I was aiming for a resonant G and B at all dynamics.
And yes, the LH3 can stay down if that helps you. I would certainly recommend having LH3 down for the F-G trill (where the left thumb trills alone) to stabilize the instrument, but here the hand already opens and closes like a claw and the instrument is solidly kept in place by the right hand, so for me it does not help that much.
Post Edited (2023-02-14 03:04)
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Author: lydian
Date: 2023-02-14 20:09
I think very few, if any, can tremolo or trill cleanly across the break. Like it or not, the side key is really the only practical solution. I'd practice to make the intonation and timbre work. It goes by pretty fast, so most listeners won't hear the imperfections.
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Author: Tom H
Date: 2023-02-15 00:37
Lydian, I agree. Across break just not really an option for me anyway.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2023-02-16 00:32
I experimented a little last night. I found that keeping the RH down with the RH B held, then moving only the LH fingers and thumb worked pretty well at a decent but not flashy speed. But on my Selmer 10G fingering a normal open G and trilling the *two* top RH side keys produced a nearly in tune B and could be done much faster.
Karl
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Author: Tom H
Date: 2023-02-16 02:36
kdk, Yes, exactly what I'm saying. On my student Selmer the trill keys B is almost perfectly in tune.
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tomheimer.ampbk.com/ Sheet Music Plus item A0.1001315, Musicnotes product no. MB0000649.
Boreal Ballad for unaccompanied clarinet-Sheet Music Plus item A0.1001314.
Musicnotes product no. MNO287475
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Author: RKing
Date: 2023-02-16 19:28
Thanks, Karl and Tom! I wondered if I was missing something because that is exactly how I play that trill and my notes are right on the money with my standard R-13. It feels a little funny at first with no fingers covering any keys, but the trill keys work fine for me.
I only played the clarinet briefly in elementary school before switching to the sax. And on the sax, we use the side keys and palm keys a lot to find shortcuts and alternate fingerings. I have experimented with my clarinet and am learning new things every day.
Ron
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Author: prigault
Date: 2023-02-16 19:40
I experimented a little also on my side.
The slower (i.e. measured) tremolos preferably warrant in-tune and resonant fingerings, but have a (player-dependent) limit in speed of execution.
Beside being useful for super fast (i.e unmeasured) G-B tremolos, the dual-side-key fingering has one big advantage: it also works for unmeasured F#-B, F-B, E-B, Eb-B (Eb with LH key #7L) tremolos. All of these have acceptable tuning at high speed (playing them fortissimo is another matter though).
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Author: crazyclari
Date: 2023-02-25 14:44
If the trill still has tuning problems try aiming to play the top note in tune. I find find this compromise sits better with the ear. Obviously not perfection
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